Redskins hire offensive consultant

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren, which I think is a ridiculous assumption.

I suppose Vinny deserves some credit for trying to compensate for his iffy coaching hire, but how can we not assume it's a bad thing for Zorn? I agree with your assertions about the Holmgren mole thing, but it's pretty obvious how thin Zorn's thread is now. Adding a 67 year old guy who hasn't sniffed an NFL sideline for 4+ years to help improve Zorn's supposed strengths is not a positive for his job security.

[53Fan]

I just saw Lewis on Redskins Nation. He said him and Zorn sat down and watched film last night and his first impression was a different player messes up and bogs down the offense. A tackle messes up one play then a guard the next, or a receiver jumps etc. Zorn told him to be honest and tell him what he sees so they can discuss it. He hopes by not having been so close to the situation maybe he'll see something that can help. I think he might come to the same conclusion I have. The execution and our own mistakes (dropped passes-fumbles-penalties) are killing us.

[skinsnut]

I don't see any possible negative to this move.

1. Sherm has a ton more experience...and we have a very inexperienced Head coach
2. It lights a fire under Zorn's butt
3 It sends the players a message that they are also on borrowed time

I love this move...it is a no loss situation for the Skins...of course it may be lose-lose for Zorn personally

[franklinhimself]

I have no idea why they didn't get this guy at the beginning of the Zorn administration.

It's been mentioned before that Zorn has probably about 3 jobs. One needs at least 14 hours a day- HC, only his second year. OC/ play caller- 8 hours a day, and QB coach.
Each job is enough for one person to handle, let alone one guy for all 3.

With last year's collapse and this year's slow start- I think Cerrato figured shit, this guy has great coaching qualities but he just can't get his head above the water. He needs a bouy or everyone will get sucked down with him.

The guy is 67 and out of football for almost 5 years. He's not coaching the offense starting week 8 after a "potential" Zorn firing. That ain't gonna happen. Let's talk after the Philly game, eh?

[SmootSmack]

I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines

Yeah, that could happen I guess. But I think it will go something like this.

Cerrato to Zorn, "You're fired"

Zorn to Cerrato, "OK, goodbye."

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines

I am sure Zorn is loyal, but I can't see him giving up his shot at head coaching for loyalty to an assistant. To hear him and his wife talk, he has wanted to be a head coach for a long long time. I think the only thing they could strip from him that would give him pause is play calling.

My real hope is that Lewis helps open Zorn's eyes enough to see through whatever it is that may be preventing him from taking that next step.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am sure Zorn is loyal, but I can't see him giving up his shot at head coaching for loyalty to an assistant. To hear him and his wife talk, he has wanted to be a head coach for a long long time. I think the only thing they could strip from him that would give him pause is play calling.

My real hope is that Lewis helps open Zorn's eyes enough to see through whatever it is that may be preventing him from taking that next step.

Yeah I guess I should have been more clear that part of "forcing" Meidt and Smith out is the assumption that Zorn would need to hire an experienced, and part of Zorn's support of his guys is the knowledge that they let him remain in control. They're no real threat to him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I suspect that what may happen is the Redskins expect that Sherman Lewis will have a positive short-term impact.

But then I suspect that at the end of the season (or maybe before hand), Snyder and Cerrato will go to Zorn and say "Look, you've seen the impact Lewis has had and it's apparent you have too much on your plate as head coach, playcaller, and QB coach. And the support team you have here just isn't helping you out. So... you need to fire Chris Meidt and Sherman Smith (probably not Stump Mitchell."

Then, Zorn will probably (and I suspect this is what the front office expects) think well shoot those are my two top lieutenants, those are my guys, without them most of this staff isn't even mine and he'll reply with "No, I'm standing by these guys. If you don't want them around then I quit."

And the Redskins will then say "We gave him every opportunity but we appreciate his decision to move forward. We wish him continued success."

or something along those lines

From Charlie Casserly to the guys on PTI to everyone on ESPN and the NFL network, have given this......... "the kiss of Death for Zorn"............only becuase it was done so far into the season .I thnk this was unfair to Zorn..........another Snyder miscue.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

From Charlie Casserly to the guys on PTI to everyone on ESPN and the NFL network, have given this......... "the kiss of Death for Zorn"............only becuase it was done so far into the season .I thnk this was unfair to Zorn..........another Snyder miscue.

unfair for Zorn? I agree in the sense that he was not OC or HC material. So DS/Cerrato put him in a position to lose.

but lets look at the pot calling the Kettle black. I believe you fans were ready to take off Coughlins head before the second yr.

Had Zorn started out bad and ended good we would feel more positive, but instead he started out good and ended the season on a bad note and is still he has not figured out how to turn it around. That's why he should go.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

but lets look at the pot calling the Kettle black. I believe you fans were ready to take off Coughlins head before the second yr.
.

Winning will stop any bitching,wasn't a Coughlin fan but he earned the right and now a'ALL" the players are behind him.This is more about ownership and ...............and I wasn't calling anyone anything.

[tryfuhl]

Alright.. one thing I haven't heard mentioned.

I've heard maybe Cerratto called Holmgren for who to pick

what if cerratto and zorn were talking about it and zorn called holmgren for a suggestion?

still could be from mike, but not behind the back of zorn.. I'd imagine that zorn still keeps contact with the ol walrus

[NYCskinfan82]

I just want to win if he helps i'm all for that SB here we come.

[Luxorreb]

Something smells fishy. I don't like it. Hopefully Zorn can save his job. If Zorn goes, Blache must go. As should Cerrato. Cause Cerrato and Snyder picked them... Will Greg Williams come back? Shanahan? Is the controversy media hype or Snyder reality? I'm afraid it's not media hype. What you all think?

[CRedskinsRule]

Do people not believe Cerrato/Zorn when they say Snyder did not order this, Cerrato wanted it, Zorn accepted (grudgingly I am sure) and Snyder approved it. This isn't a Snyder meddling situation. It's most likely a Cerrato trying to save his and in the process Zorn's jobs. As for it occurring mid season, when you start off struggling against 3 of the worst teams in the league, it seems like a very good time to bring in another pair of eyes