Shanahan presser thread

[SmootSmack]

They don't suck. They're not the best and they have made some poor decisions but they don't suck

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They don't suck. They're not the best and they have made some poor decisions but they don't suck

depends on your definition of suck. they've both made more poor decisons than good ones, especially allen. Shanahan is pretty good in drafting/signing good offensive players though. however, in the press conference, shanahan said he "never" excercised his "final say" authority in Denver, so perhaps it was just denvers scouting and player development departments that sucked.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

depends on your definition of suck. they've both made more poor decisons than good ones, especially allen. Shanahan is pretty good in drafting/signing good offensive players though. however, in the press conference, shanahan said he "never" excercised his "final say" authority in Denver, so perhaps it was just denvers scouting and player development departments that sucked.

Details please? It's easy to make this claim but give some data to back it up..

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Details please? It's easy to make this claim but give some data to back it up..

haven't we already discussed shanahan and gruden's draft records? This is nothing new.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

haven't we already discussed shanahan and gruden's draft records? This is nothing new.

To make a claim of 'more bad picks than good' is pretty damning, isn't it? Granted neither of them stocked rosters 2 deep with Pro bowlers but neither were Matt Millen either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To make a claim of 'more bad picks than good' is pretty damning, isn't it? Granted neither of them stocked rosters 2 deep with Pro bowlers but neither were Matt Millen either.

Or worse

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or worse

oh wow

why is it that all pedos seem to have that thin-lipped tightly drawn mouth look?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To make a claim of 'more bad picks than good' is pretty damning, isn't it? Granted neither of them stocked rosters 2 deep with Pro bowlers but neither were Matt Millen either.

Decide for yourself:

Bruce Allen's Draft Record: 2005-2008

2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville


2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan


2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama


2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina


Mike Shanahan's Draft Record (We'll use the same time period)

2005 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School

2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 101 Maurice Clarett -- Ohio State
6 200 Chris Myers G Miami (Fla.)
7 239 Paul Ernster K Northern Arizona


2006 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan
4 119 Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
4 126 Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville
4 130 Domenik Hixon WR Akron
5 161 Chris Kuper G North Dakota
6 198 Greg Eslinger C Minnesota


2007 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 56 Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 70 Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Florida


2008 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 12 Ryan Clady T Boise State
2 42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
4 108 Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green State
4 119 Jack Williams CB Kent State
5 139 Ryan Torain RB Arizona State
5 148 Carlton Powell DT Virginia Tech
6 183 Spencer Larsen FB Arizona
7 220 Josh Barrett DB Arizona State
7 227 Peyton Hillis RB Arkansas