Kurt Warner announces retirement after 12 seasons

[Chevy13]

Why Kurt Warner Is NOT a Hall of Famer | Bleacher Report

This article talks about this and to be honest I like Warner and I think he's a good QB. Yes most of the great QBs had good WRs but Warner didn't just have good players around him he had great players that obviously helped. Even with these great players sometimes he still couldn't win as mentioned in the article. He averages 2.03 fumbles/int per start and he has had some great WRs and one of the great RB. Now imagine what his numbers would be if he wasn't blessed with GREAT talent around him? I think he's obviously better than just average which is why even Leinart can't do the same with the same talent around him cause he sucks and Warner is a good QB but I don't think we would be having any conversations of him being a HOF if he didn't have atleast 3-4 WRs that will also be HOF. I think there's a reason he gets benched by every team he plays for and if you look at his numbers he's had only around 5 good years the rest were mediocre-horrible. In my eyes he's not a HOF but I think he's a good QB who looked like a HOF with the talent around him and still sometimes looked bad with the same talent. Just read the article, it's interesting and its hard to ignore the bad parts of his career. I think without the talent around him he'd be ok but no where near where he is but he's a good story...

[jamf]

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do you discredit Montana for having Rice and Taylor? What about Bradshaw?

The Cardinals wouldnt have a playoff win in the last two years if Warner wasn't there.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

Why Kurt Warner Is NOT a Hall of Famer | Bleacher Report

This article talks about this and to be honest I like Warner and I think he's a good QB. Yes most of the great QBs had good WRs but Warner didn't just have good players around him he had great players that obviously helped. Even with these great players sometimes he still couldn't win as mentioned in the article. He averages 2.03 fumbles/int per start and he has had some great WRs and one of the great RB. Now imagine what his numbers would be if he wasn't blessed with GREAT talent around him? I think he's obviously better than just average which is why even Leinart can't do the same with the same talent around him cause he sucks and Warner is a good QB but I don't think we would be having any conversations of him being a HOF if he didn't have atleast 3-4 WRs that will also be HOF. I think there's a reason he gets benched by every team he plays for and if you look at his numbers he's had only around 5 good years the rest were mediocre-horrible. In my eyes he's not a HOF but I think he's a good QB who looked like a HOF with the talent around him and still sometimes looked bad with the same talent. Just read the article, it's interesting and its hard to ignore the bad parts of his career. I think without the talent around him he'd be ok but no where near where he is but he's a good story...

3-4 hof wrs ? i don't think so, maybe 1.

almost every hof qb had very good wrs.think of almost any hof qb and i bet you can also think of a great wr to go along. hof qbs and hof wrs kinda go hand-n- hand.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

3-4 hof wrs ? i don't think so, maybe 1.

almost every hof qb had very good wrs.think of almost any hof qb and i bet you can also think of a great wr to go along. hof qbs and hof wrs kinda go hand-n- hand.

Sorry but he had more than one just on the Rams... Fitz isn't there yet but he's a beast and I woulnd't be surpised if he gets in too. Yes ALMOST every HOF QB has good receiver because I know no one can do it alone but he had a couple HOF WRs and a HOF RB on the same team (where his best years were). I can understand people that think he's a HOFer but I'm just giving you my opinion he had not only talented receivers like Fitz and Boldin but he had 2 other HOF WRs with the Rams plus Faulk, and like I said he still had horrible times with all that talent. Even with the Rams he had a year where he had 3TDs and 11Int before being benched for either an injury or bad play I don't remember and another year where he had 18Int to 21TDs. He had his awsome years and like I said I can see why people would call him a HOFer but for as many yrs he had equally as many or more horrible years. He's a great story and I wish him the best, hell I hope he's a first ballot HOF he's a good guy and it's not not like I'm wishing he doesn't make it. I just dont think he's a HOF but that's just me. It's really none of my bussiness who makes it or doesn't I won't lose any sleep if he does or doesn't so why not let him in

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

he had 3TDs and 11Int and another year where he had 18Int to 21TDs. I won't lose any sleep if he does or doesn't so why not let him in

most great qbs have a few bad seasons, heck, brett favre leads the nfl in ints. i won't lose sleep either regarless of if he makes it or not but imo warner is a lock to make it.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

most great qbs have a few bad seasons, heck, brett favre leads the nfl in ints. i won't lose sleep either regarless of if he makes it or not but imo warner is a lock to make it.

Warner has had more than a few and if I'm not mistaken Warner has more turnovers/game than Favre (The Int king) I'm almost 100% sure he has more fumbles than him since Warner is a fumble machine even in good games or good seasons. He might even have more ints/game too but I like Warner and I'm all for him getting to Canton, why not. I just think some people forget about his bad because he's such a great story and I think if you look at his stats you got maybe 5-6 good years out of a 12 year season so he might make it off of maybe 5-6 good years with as many bad ones. I know I'm in the minority here but he's had maybe 2-3 seasons were he actually plays the whole year. I think it's amazing the stats and accomplishments he has accumulated up in a shorter 12 yr career even with the more than good talent around him not any QB can do it just not a HOF QB imo...

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Chevy13

just not a HOF QB imo...

well, i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. it's all good. we've got at least 5 years to find out.