Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I would give Colt Brennan a chance over Jason Campbell . Jason Campbell is a loser but if we choose to trade back or pick up an LT with our 4th pick than I would give Brennan a chance. Can't let go off a guy without giving him a chance.

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

Based on the fact that he hasn't taken us to the playoffs, isn't a good QB, and started 16 games for us last year and only won 4 of them.

[Son Of Man]

I have always liked Brennan and would love if he developed into a solid starting QB for the B&G. However, the knocks on him coming out of college were; inadequate arm strength, lackluster opponents at the Univ of Hawaii, spread offense, immaturity and a less than ideal work ethic. The spread offense concern may have been corrected from his time in the NFL, but alot of that time was lost rehabbing injuries his first two seasons. I beleive his percieved lack of arm strength could be more attributed to poor lower body conditioning and form (would also explain the twice injured hip area). And I hope the immaturity and work ethic concerns are incorrect.

The perceived advantage Bradford has over Brennan is his intangibles, size, and slightly higher arm strength. Same for McCoy, except he and Brennan are of similar size. Clausen is viewed as the most "pre-ready" due to his college system and the Weis factor but, he has immaturity and personality concerns as well.

Brennan, in my opinion, deserves a FAIR shot at the starting QB job. But I would not be suprised if he is jettisoned due durability concerns (injured both of his first two years). The 2010 draft will tell us alot about the FO's opinion of Brennan. (I'm secretly pulling for him. If he can be to the B&G what he was for Hawaii then we could have a great piece at the QB to build around).

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Based on the fact that he hasn't taken us to the playoffs, isn't a good QB, and started 16 games for us last year and only won 4 of them.

He's the reason we won 4 games alright...we were a 1 or 2-win team without him. He put up good stats with no line and was taking a huge beating every week. A team with no offensive line or running game won't make the playoffs with ANYONE at QB. You can't put any (or much) blame about 4-12 on Campbell, he's one of the few players who actually tried in all 16 games and put up respectable numbers despite his team.

The O-line argument is very valid. If you were actually paying attention, you'd see him getting hit before dropping back even 3 steps a lot of the time. He couldn't make good decisions when he didn't have time to do anything. You'd see a center who can't snap the ball into his hands from the shotgun formation. Even when not getting hit, his linemen didn't know how to keep the defenders from batting the ball for INTs and defensive TDs.

Campbell's not our new Jurgenson, Kilmer or Theisman, but he's far better than he gets credit for. He showed a ton of toughness and leadership last season and kept us in most games all by himself. With a 4-12 record, we weren't blown out of games at all. He brought us back on many occasions. We nearly beat the Saints thanks to him and lost thanks to Suisham.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Buster

He's the reason we won 4 games alright...we were a 1 or 2-win team without him. He put up good stats with no line and was taking a huge beating every week. A team with no offensive line or running game won't make the playoffs with ANYONE at QB. You can't put any (or much) blame about 4-12 on Campbell, he's one of the few players who actually tried in all 16 games and put up respectable numbers despite his team.

The O-line argument is very valid. If you were actually paying attention, you'd see him getting hit before dropping back even 3 steps a lot of the time. He couldn't make good decisions when he didn't have time to do anything. You'd see a center who can't snap the ball into his hands from the shotgun formation. Even when not getting hit, his linemen didn't know how to keep the defenders from batting the ball for INTs and defensive TDs.

Campbell's not our new Jurgenson, Kilmer or Theisman, but he's far better than he gets credit for. He showed a ton of toughness and leadership last season and kept us in most games all by himself. With a 4-12 record, we weren't blown out of games at all. He brought us back on many occasions. We nearly beat the Saints thanks to him and lost thanks to Suisham.

Did you ever look at the flip side and say that Jason made our OL look bad by HOLDING ONTO THE BALL TOO LONG??? Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger behind our OL and I gurantee you we win more games. It's the QB thats the problem, then the OL. JC has no pocket awareness what so ever. Quit backing him up, he sucks, get over it, end of arguement.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Did you ever look at the flip side and say that Jason made our OL look bad by HOLDING ONTO THE BALL TOO LONG??? Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger behind our OL and I gurantee you we win more games. It's the QB thats the problem, then the OL. JC has no pocket awareness what so ever. Quit backing him up, he sucks, get over it, end of arguement.

I see what you did there.

Redemption points, however, for spelling 'Roethlisberger' correctly.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Did you ever look at the flip side and say that Jason made our OL look bad by HOLDING ONTO THE BALL TOO LONG??? Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger behind our OL and I gurantee you we win more games. It's the QB thats the problem, then the OL. JC has no pocket awareness what so ever. Quit backing him up, he sucks, get over it, end of arguement.

Thank you. IDK how can any body think Jason Candle is our best option . So every thing has to be an excuse of Jason Candle. I can't stand fans who don't want us to win games.

But true stuff man. Me and you will be good friends for sure here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Thank you. IDK how can any body think Jason Candle is our best option . So every thing has to be an excuse of Jason Candle. I can't stand fans who don't want us to win games.

But true stuff man. Me and you will be good friends for sure here.

Aw, that's really sweet. And pathetic. But mostly sweet.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Aw, that's really sweet. And pathetic. But mostly sweet.

Pssst , its pathetic thinking Candle is the guy to solve everything. I would dare some one to answer this question for me.


"When was the last non franchise QB other than Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer ever won a SB since 1990-2010."

Even if you answer one that would be 3 out of how many years ?. For the last 20 years a franchise QB won a SB.Point fact and proven.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Thank you. IDK how can any body think Jason Candle is our best option . So every thing has to be an excuse of Jason Candle. I can't stand fans who don't want us to win games.

But true stuff man. Me and you will be good friends for sure here.

Couldn't have said it any better my friend. People here just need a change of sceneary. They're still sold on Jason being our QB even though he's played 4 years for us and been here 5 years. I bet you as soon as we get a franchise caliber QB in the draft and he starts performing well people will be saying "Jason Who?" Until then we're still going to be hearing "Hey give Jason a shot," "He hasn't played behind a good OL yet," "Let him be in an offense for more than 2 years," its like people are so sold on this guy that they believe he's like the only QB out there or something, like we can't draft one or trade for one or whatever.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Couldn't have said it any better my friend. People here just need a change of sceneary. They're still sold on Jason being our QB even though he's played 4 years for us and been here 5 years. I bet you as soon as we get a franchise caliber QB in the draft and he starts performing well people will be saying "Jason Who?" Until then we're still going to be hearing "Hey give Jason a shot," "He hasn't played behind a good OL yet," "Let him be in an offense for more than 2 years," its like people are so sold on this guy that they believe he's like the only QB out there or something, like we can't draft one or trade for one or whatever.

No one is sold on Jason Campbell, we're just sick of simple minded people that think a simple change of QB will make us into a Super Bowl contender right away. The only reason Campbell is being brought up, is because some people want us to take a franchise tackle and keep Campbell in the interim until either we can a.) develop a mid-round QB or b.) we can pick up a first-round QB in 2011.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Couldn't have said it any better my friend. People here just need a change of sceneary. They're still sold on Jason being our QB even though he's played 4 years for us and been here 5 years. I bet you as soon as we get a franchise caliber QB in the draft and he starts performing well people will be saying "Jason Who?" Until then we're still going to be hearing "Hey give Jason a shot," "He hasn't played behind a good OL yet," "Let him be in an offense for more than 2 years," its like people are so sold on this guy that they believe he's like the only QB out there or something, like we can't draft one or trade for one or whatever.

Oh please. His argument is nothing that a "you're dumb" or a "that's stupid" can't sufficiently answer. Your work here mining for the acceptance of a noob who can barely type in sentences is so weak.

The reason the argument sucks is because it's based on not a single premise. It's based on the authoritative word of someone who has been here all of 15 minutes and might be 14 years old.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Couldn't have said it any better my friend. People here just need a change of sceneary. They're still sold on Jason being our QB even though he's played 4 years for us and been here 5 years. I bet you as soon as we get a franchise caliber QB in the draft and he starts performing well people will be saying "Jason Who?" Until then we're still going to be hearing "Hey give Jason a shot," "He hasn't played behind a good OL yet," "Let him be in an offense for more than 2 years," its like people are so sold on this guy that they believe he's like the only QB out there or something, like we can't draft one or trade for one or whatever.

What I hate is there protecting a guy who.

1: Made us be a big part of an 4-12 in the easiest schedule ever. The 05 redskins probably would have gone 14-2 with this schedule.

2: Jason is turning 29 and right now is a free agent who either can be traded or sign off to another team but if at best would be here for one year. They are protecting a QB whos gonna be here for one year????.

3: How is Jason Candle our best option? he's no better than Marc Bulger or Chad Pennington. This guy couldn't even give us a 3rd-4th rounder in his supposed best year in 08. Jets where eyeing him what happend?. They saw the Videos and saw how bad he is. Shanahan see's the videos and knows now we need a QB.


me and you ...will be the best of friends lol.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

His 19-32 record( sad to say its a record despite his players .)

His stats are overrated. Do you really believe he deserves a 100.QB rating in the MNF eagles game that ended up blowing us out?. OR his 77% COMP rating in week one of the Giants?. See what I'm saying.


And don't bring up all the OL excuse, this kid doesn't read the defense, read the blitz,coverages ,etc. Portis made that loud and clear for a reason. And JC is very inaccurate in big down the field plays and is not a Shanahan type. A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by redskins202

A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now and Bradford is nowhere even close to being worth the 4th pick. He isn't worth a first round pick, much less 4th overall.