The Official Lost: The Final Season Thread (Warning: Possible Spoilers)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

no that wouldnt work - richard and the other slaves didnt see the island or the statue until nighttime during the storm. if the black rock was sitting there all day, they wouldn't have been so excited to see land during the storm.

the fish jacob caught and ate during the opening scene of the season 5 finale was a red herring. something in that scene was not as it seemed. the most likely possibilities are that 1) the man we know as Jacob is not good and the MIB is not bad or 2) it wasn't the black rock.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

no that wouldnt work - richard and the other slaves didnt see the island or the statue until nighttime during the storm. if the black rock was sitting there all day, they wouldn't have been so excited to see land during the storm.

the fish jacob caught and ate during the opening scene of the season 5 finale was a red herring. something in that scene was not as it seemed. the most likely possibilities are that 1) the man we know as Jacob is not good and the MIB is not bad or 2) it wasn't the black rock.

Ok, well a red herring is not an actual fish, but I understand what you're saying. I agree that the props people probably used a red fish specifically for that purpose to make people think that.

But you're making assumptions that the ship shown during the day wasn't the Black Rock because Richard and the other slave would have seen the island and therefore not been so surprised at night. So if you can make that assumption then I can make the assumption that it was the Black Rock and they couldn't see the island from where they were on the ship. Perhaps Richard was on the right side of the ship and the island was only visible from the left side during the day. Or maybe the freaky island that can travel through time and jumps from place-to-place couldn't be seen at that time because so something Jacob was doing to cloak it from sight until the time was right.
As much as I love this show, and I am way too obsessed with it at times, I will admit that there have been tons of continuity errors so I really wouldn't put be surprised if the ship was supposed to be the Black Rock and the writers didn't care enough to make the two episodes completely match-up, which goes back to your lazy writing argument that I agree with.
In the end I don't think it matters because as Jacob said, he's been bringing people to the island for a long time.

Now, if they don't bring back Walt in some way and explain why he was kidnapped (basically THE major plot point of the second season) I am really going to be pissed. Unfortunately at this point I'm starting to prepare myself for some major disappointment.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Ok, well a red herring is not an actual fish, but I understand what you're saying. I agree that the props people probably used a red fish specifically for that purpose to make people think that.

But you're making assumptions that the ship shown during the day wasn't the Black Rock because Richard and the other slave would have seen the island and therefore not been so surprised at night. So if you can make that assumption then I can make the assumption that it was the Black Rock and they couldn't see the island from where they were on the ship. Perhaps Richard was on the right side of the ship and the island was only visible from the left side during the day. Or maybe the freaky island that can travel through time and jumps from place-to-place couldn't be seen at that time because so something Jacob was doing to cloak it from sight until the time was right.
As much as I love this show, and I am way too obsessed with it at times, I will admit that there have been tons of continuity errors so I really wouldn't put be surprised if the ship was supposed to be the Black Rock and the writers didn't care enough to make the two episodes completely match-up, which goes back to your lazy writing argument that I agree with.
In the end I don't think it matters because as Jacob said, he's been bringing people to the island for a long time.

Now, if they don't bring back Walt in some way and explain why he was kidnapped (basically THE major plot point of the second season) I am really going to be pissed. Unfortunately at this point I'm starting to prepare myself for some major disappointment.

this is the most likely answer. i just dont think that the writers figured out how they wanted the statue to be destroyed or how the black rock would get to the middle of the island when they shot season 5 finale scene. even lazier of the writers was setting the episode in 1867. in a previous episode, when desmond interrupted an auction for the ledger of the black rocks first mate. the ship supposedly went missing in 1845 and the ledger was discovered in 1852. the show employs a number of people whose one and only job is to ensure continuity errors on the show. it baffles me how they could screw up something so basic. you'd think theyd have some sort of timeline they were working off of.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

this is the most likely answer. i just dont think that the writers figured out how they wanted the statue to be destroyed or how the black rock would get to the middle of the island when they shot season 5 finale scene. even lazier of the writers was setting the episode in 1867. in a previous episode, when desmond interrupted an auction for the ledger of the black rocks first mate. the ship supposedly went missing in 1845 and the ledger was discovered in 1852. the show employs a number of people whose one and only job is to ensure continuity errors on the show. it baffles me how they could screw up something so basic. you'd think theyd have some sort of timeline they were working off of.

The thing in bold was my point they just couldn't figure out a way on how does things happen and tried to do it all in one episode sell you anything and get it over with, like ok that's how it happen now deal with it.

And I agree I hate that they have people hired to ensure continuity and miss so easy stuff... I also had forgotten About Walt and his purpose I don't think he will be brought back dough no need to go waaay all back.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

The thing in bold was my point they just couldn't figure out a way on how does things happen and tried to do it all in one episode sell you anything and get it over with, like ok that's how it happen now deal with it.

And I agree I hate that they have people hired to ensure continuity and miss so easy stuff... I also had forgotten About Walt and his purpose I don't think he will be brought back dough no need to go waaay all back.

well walt had to be written off the show as a practical matter - he was growing so much they couldnt have him be on the island. rumor has it jack and walt shot a secret scene together for the finale before he was written off the show, but i dont know if that scene will even be relevant with the direction the story has taken. personally, i'm satisfied with the explaination the show gave us - locke figured walt had been through enough and decided to let him live his life. he certainly was not a candidate (his names not on the wall or the in the lighthouse) so whatever the deal was with walt, it'll be one of those things that really isnt important in the grand scheme of the show.