Haynesworth trade possibly in the works

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haynesworth deal doomed from the start - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

interesting read

I remember when the Skins signed him last year how the majority of fans were so excited, what a difference a year makes.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haynesworth deal doomed from the start - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

interesting read

Interesting yes...but this article and the initial La Canfora article are both silly. Better said they are full of shit.
These are supposedly opposing GM's talking about a player that is available in the trade market. Of course they are going to deadpan Haynesworth and ridicule the the Redskins and the whole process that landed Haynesworth in DC. Yes Snyder did over pay and upset the payscale market for DT's, but that is in the past and the only newsworthy thing.
It seems some of the so-called GM quotes and authors of the articles are trying to upset the Redskins FO to dump Haynesworth for chump change.
We already knew weeks ago the Haynesworth was going to work out on his own and not attend any non-mandatory events. La Canfora mentions it like it is a late breaking big news and why we would trade him.
La Canfora at times can be drama queen trying to sell himself. The title says it all "Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade possible
If we trade him it is because of a good offer not because he is molesting 20 year olds in the bathroom.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Interesting yes...but this article and the initial La Canfora article are both silly. Better said they are full of shit.
These are supposedly opposing GM's talking about a player that is available in the trade market. Of course they are going to deadpan Haynesworth and ridicule the the Redskins and the whole process that landed Haynesworth in DC. Yes Snyder did over pay and upset the payscale market for DT's, but that is in the past and the only newsworthy thing.
It seems some of the so-called GM quotes and authors of the articles are trying to upset the Redskins FO to dump Haynesworth for chump change.
We already knew weeks ago the Haynesworth was going to work out on his own and not attend any non-mandatory events. La Canfora mentions it like it is a late breaking big news and why we would trade him.
La Canfora at times can be drama queen trying to sell himself. The title says it all "Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade possible
If we trade him it is because of a good offer not because he is molesting 20 year olds in the bathroom.

To me the article boils down to the fact we gave a boatload of guaranteed money to a guy with questionable attitude and motivation issues. Also think of it this way... if Allen and Shanahan were in charge last year, no way we make that move.

Has the media blown up the story? Of course. But there's plenty of fire behind all this smoke too.

[rbanerjee23]

There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. Arrington, Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. Arrington, Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.

Couldn't have seen Trotter's injuries coming. Agree on Archuleta. Too soon to just write off Haynesworth. Convenient to leave out signings that were key to our playoff runs like Springs, Washington, and Griffin.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Couldn't have seen Trotter's injuries coming. Agree on Archuleta. Too soon to just write off Haynesworth. Convenient to leave out signings that were key to our playoff runs like Springs, Washington, and Griffin.

Yeah we've definitely had plenty of guys that did work out, just the mistakes were big ones so they stick out more. Randy Thomas and Fletcher were a couple of other notables that were good pickups too.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. Arrington, Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.

Arrington was the 2nd pick in the draft you have to spend alot of money, check the history for 2nd picks in the draft. We should of been playing a 3-4 when he was around and used him like lt of the ny midgets.

[Daseal]

Given that this trade went down, I would be hoping that Detroit takes Okung, and we could luck out and grab Suh. Replacing Haynesworth would be a priority in my mind. We could use that 4th to grab a RT.

Suh is a 4-3 DT. He won't be a 3-4 teams pick. I hope we don't trade Haynesworth, especially for the type of compensation I'm hearing. a 2nd and maybe a 3rd? Yeah right.

In addition. I don't feel comfortable giving up one of the most dominant DTs for an unknown by NFL standards.

[SmootSmack]

I think everyone knew the risks of giving AH all that money last year. People wanted to keep focusing on alleged anger management issues because of the Gurode incident, but really the problem was how committed was Haynesworth really.

Some think the Redskins were ignorant to it, I don't think they were at all. I think they fully knew the risks but they, perhaps naively, believed things would be different now and it wouldn't be an issue.

And I'm not convinced that him skipping a voluntary mini-camp is indicative of major problems down the road.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think everyone knew the risks of giving AH all that money last year. People wanted to keep focusing on alleged anger management issues because of the Gurode incident, but really the problem was how committed was Haynesworth really.

Some think the Redskins were ignorant to it, I don't think they were at all. I think they fully knew the risks but they, perhaps naively, believed things would be different now and it wouldn't be an issue.

And I'm not convinced that him skipping a voluntary mini-camp is indicative of major problems down the road.

When the mandatory portion of training begins and Albert does not show up in shape and ready to play, that will be cause for real concern.

I think by Shanahan reluctantly dealing with him doing his own thing, he's expecting him to make good on his promise to show up in better shape than he did last year. Perhaps the decision has been made that it makes business sense to keep Haynesworth on the roster. Media reports (as well as fans) have been driving his trade, spoken more from an emotional standpoint than a business one. I can't think of a single reason why it would not benifit the Redskins to have Albert Haynesworth on the team.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

When the mandatory portion of training begins and Albert does not show up in shape and ready to play, that will be cause for real concern.

I think by Shanahan reluctantly dealing with him doing his own thing, he's expecting him to make good on his promise to show up in better shape than he did last year. Perhaps the decision has been made that it makes business sense to keep Haynesworth on the roster. Media reports (as well as fans) have been driving his trade, spoken more from an emotional standpoint than a business one. I can't think of a single reason why it would not benifit the Redskins to have Albert Haynesworth on the team.

If we could get at least 2 2nd rounders for AH, that is enough to want me to trade him. I would dangle him in front of the Lions FO. Just think about it. They acquire AH, then draft Suh!!! The Lions would eat up the NFC North almost automatically. If the FO really wanted to get rid of AH, I would try to seduce the guys in my hometown of Allen Park into taking AH. Also, by doing this you assure us of getting Okung.

[Monkeydad]

If Detroit gets AH, it's a lock that they take Okung and we lose him.

Bad deal for us unless we can swap the #2 and #4 picks in the deal.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Buster

If Detroit gets AH, it's a lock that they take Okung and we lose him.

Bad deal for us unless we can swap the #2 and #4 picks in the deal.

not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.

I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.

I will if it's Clausen or somehow Bradford.

If we take a player that we really need for the position, I'll trust Bruce Allen and Shanny, as long as we can address OT somehow.