Jon Gruden's QB Camp

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Wins and losses at the college level doesn't mean very much as far as identifying quality pro prospects. Come on GM your bringing some weak stuff to the table in this thread.

Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.

It's fine if you don't like him, but as biased as you are in your man love of Tebow you seem biased against Clausen in the opposite way.

Wins and losses are pretty irrelevant, especially when comparing schools like Notre Dame and Florida. They aren't on the same playing field as far as recruiting.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's fine if you don't like him, but as biased as you are in your man love of Tebow you seem biased against Clausen in the opposite way.

Wins and losses are pretty irrelevant, especially when comparing schools like Notre Dame and Florida. They aren't on the same playing field as far as recruiting.

I'm indifferent on Notre Dame football. They never play Florida, and like you said, we can out-recruit them in our sleep. I have no personal reason to like or dislike their program/players. But there hasn't been a QB that has rubbed my the wrong way like Clausen in a long time. It's not like I just woke up one day and said, you know, I'm gonna HATE Jimmy Clausen from this day forward.

I understand what everyone is saying about my wins-losses comment. Maybe I should have left that out. But I was thinking, when is the last time a QB who lost more than he won was considered a possible top 5 pick?

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.

The thing that sucked for Jimmy while he was at ND is that he never had a Defense that could stop anyone and hold a lead for his team. Jimmy did what he could to put them in a position to win a lot of ballgames, I mean you can't expect him to go out there on Defense too!

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Really? I was only trying to make one simple point in this entire thread- I don't like Jimmy Clausen as the leader of a football team. And I stated my reasons why. I'm not trying to argue some intricate X's-O's type thing. I also have repeatedly said I think he'll probably be a good pro. SS33 made fair points, however nothing anyone says in this thread about Clausen is going to change my opinion of him.

As far as the wins-losses thing, I was just pointing out that he didn't rally his team to very many wins. Fact.

This mirrors my thoughts exactly. I'm with you on this one GMScud.