Haynesworth fails conditioning test

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If true, who cares? Did any other players fail the test?
The guy is a 340 pound immovable object, not a WR or DB.
They are worried he is going to get hurt because he cannot run a certain routine? Silly. Put him in and let him run over some of our OL. Then see who will get hurt.

Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new polygraph?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new polygraph?

Huh?

Haynesworth's conditioning has always been a problem.

It's about time somebody calls him out on it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Huh?

Haynesworth's conditioning has always been a problem.

It's about time somebody calls him out on it.

Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.

It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.

From the article that SS posted it sounds like he did pass but then they got him on a technicality and made him do half of it again.

If he came into camp in better shape with an improved attitude why try to screw him over like that?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.

Respectfully, I think this is naive. The Redskins got exactly what they wanted to get out of this conditioning test. But I never doubted for a second that this would be the case, even before we knew the outcome.

This exercise is a Rorschach test. I can respect an argument that says that DTs in the NFL can never be in good enough condition, but I think it's telling that Kedric Golston and Howard Green were not asked to do 300 yard shuttles until failure. Aren't they important (first team) cogs in this machine? Shouldn't we test their conditioning?

They wouldn't have passed the same standards, btw. I'm okay with that, because they are football nose tackles, and not defensive backs or track athletes.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.

The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.

If we really care about winning you should hope that Shanahan breaks undisciplined out of shape players like Haynesworth.

Who cares if he is a top five talent. That's not good enough! He could be the best lineman of an entire generation if he actually worked hard.

Make that piece of shit work his ass off!

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.

I can see every aspect of this, from every angle that has been discussed here on this forum. Here is my 2 cents.

Ego is not a good thing, be it from a coach or a primadonna WR or a player. Being the bigger man (Figuratively people.....) is what needs to happen here. If Shanahan is indeed taking a shot at Albert for not conforming to his standards, then shame on him. Public embarassment and intentionally releasing the failure to the media, come on, that is childish. The guy is gonna be on the roster, and from many sources, he is in the best shape of his career. If you are really serious about bringing this team back to greatness, swallow your pride, and offer AH an olive branch, not a sponge of vinegar. They guy IS getting paid, we DO want him to play and blow OL's off the ball, and training camp is where u should put all the other bullshit behind you. If he showed up on time this time, and ready to roll and shanahan did this due to ego or bad blood, then shanahan needs to quit acting like a ****ing middle schooler and get a clue. The bottom line is all that is important. AH makes the team better, not worse. Be the bigger man shanahan, and go out of your way to show AH that he is needed and wanted here, and we want him to help us succeed.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I can see every aspect of this, from every angle that has been discussed here on this forum. Here is my 2 cents.

Ego is not a good thing, be it from a coach or a primadonna WR or a player. Being the bigger man (Figuratively people.....) is what needs to happen here. If Shanahan is indeed taking a shot at Albert for not conforming to his standards, then shame on him. Public embarassment and intentionally releasing the failure to the media, come on, that is childish. The guy is gonna be on the roster, and from many sources, he is in the best shape of his career. If you are really serious about bringing this team back to greatness, swallow your pride, and offer AH an olive branch, not a sponge of vinegar. They guy IS getting paid, we DO want him to play and blow OL's off the ball, and training camp is where u should put all the other bullshit behind you. If he showed up on time this time, and ready to roll and shanahan did this due to ego or bad blood, then shanahan needs to quit acting like a ****ing middle schooler and get a clue. The bottom line is all that is important. AH makes the team better, not worse. Be the bigger man shanahan, and go out of your way to show AH that he is needed and wanted here, and we want him to help us succeed.

Perfect point.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.

I agree with you. There's no way all the linemen are required to do two 300yard shuttle runs. i mean, thats about the most retarded thing i've ever read. these guys are well over 300lbs. no matter how well-conditioned, a guy that big couldnt successfully pass this test.

I am no fan of Haynesworth and i'd like nothing more than to trade him. however, he finally decided to show up and reports were he was willing to do whatever haslett and shanahan asked. the prodigals son returned... only to be pissed on by Shanahan. Whatever shanahan was trying to accomplish, its sure to backfire. This wont help anything.

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new polygraph?

Seriously? You're going to blame this on the coach? This guy is getting millions of dollars, didn't show up for off season workouts b/c he had a personal trainer and is asked to do some conditioning drills and fails and it's the coaches ego? Sorry, but Shanahan has every right to run that fat bastard ragged until he proves himself. If Fat Ass was a real man and was working out like he said he was, he would've done everything in his power to pass that test and show everyone that he was indeed in great shape.

I hope Shanahan rides his ass like 10 cent whore with a fist full of fifties!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by murphy196

Seriously? You're going to blame this on the coach? This guy is getting millions of dollars, didn't show up for off season workouts b/c he had a personal trainer and is asked to do some conditioning drills and fails and it's the coaches ego? Sorry, but Shannahan has every right to run that fat bastard ragged until he proves himself. If Fat Ass was a real man and was working out like he said he was, he would've done everything in his power to pass that test and show everyone that he was indeed in great shape.

I hope Shannahan rides his ass like 10 cent whore with a fist full of fifties!

Yeah I can't understand blaming Shanahan. The days of the inmates running the asylum are over.

[Dirtbag59]

Two questions:

1. Was everyone required to pass this test at some point?

and

2. Has everyone passed that took said conditioning test, particularly the other 300 pounders?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Two questions:

1. Was everyone required to pass this test at some point?

and

2. Has everyone passed that took said conditioning test, particularly the other 300 pounders?

I read somewhere earlier today (PFT maybe?) that Haynesworth had to take it because he skipped the offseason program but players who reached a certain attendance level were exempted from the test.