IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're toeing a line that doesn't exist. There's no room to tell someone that something isn't done by people without implying that a methodology is wrongheaded. Your position that anyone, specifically talking about me, that has seen Locker play wouldn't be of the opinion that he is a wild thrower is wrong. Wild is my word, but that's the scouting report on him.

You're always assuming your conclusion.
I think that there is value in forecasting based on retrospective analysis.
Like the Lewin and other formula's.
But, i think there is a distinction between scouting the prospects and forecasting a prospects success based on stats.

I haven't seen many if any scouting reports that call Locker a wild thrower if wild implies inaccurate.
I've seen reports that mention inconsistent but not inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Mike Mayock

He's got all the tools to be a top-level quarterback, all the physical tools. The size and the arm strength. I just question his pocket awareness. And that's where his accuracy issues come into play. When he moves outside the pocket, either right or left, and not just scrambling, because they did a good job with plays that moved him outside the pocket and had him throw on the run, he has good vision and is as accurate as any quarterback you'll see. But he gets into some trouble in the pocket, seeing the field, and that's where his accuracy breaks down. I'm really excited to see him at the Senior Bowl (in two weeks) and see him working with other receivers. To me he's got first-round ability. But I just need to get more comfortable with him, and his pocket awareness.

Its funny you posted this quote b/c it speaks to my point.
Mayock specifically mentions his accuracy as a positive and states that Locker gets into some trouble in the pocket where he doesn't see the field well and that is where Locker's accuracy breaks down and that he [Mayock] needs to take a closer look at Locker's pocket awareness.

Would you agree that its more difficult to throw on the run then from a clean pocket?

When i watched Washington it was clear that their OL lack of pass protection was the reason they moved Locker outside the pocket and the reason why the bulk of their passing game was quick game and short drops 1-3 steps.
And imo this why Locker at time doesn't appear comfortable in the pocket b/c his OL gets beat regularly.

Well, I don't know exactly what you wanted to discuss. I thought you made your position very clear that you didn't think Locker was a particularly wild thrower. I thought you had a minority position, but I was willing to -- and still do -- respect your position. If what you really wanted to do was go play by play through a film cutup and debate pros and cons, then I'm just confused by the way you went about it.

Funny b/c this is from my OP:

Originally Posted by 30gut

Question:
Would you or the people in this forum be interested in a thread on the top QB prospects?
A thread that invite people to take a closer look (past the stats) at the commonly available game cut-ups (youtube) and discuss the particular plays from the same game so all have the same frame of reference and can discuss the specific plays that lead to the stats in context.

Seems pretty straight forward to me and i asked the question b/c i'm in another Redskins forum where we actually do the above suggestion.(watch and discuss game cut-ups of the top prospects)

You have made it equally clear that you don't respect my position because you don't believe I should be allowed to defend a player's ability to complete passes with stats. I have concluded that your criticism is ridiculous and cannot be taken seriously. Next issue.

Nope.
I think you cannot evaluate from stats and therefore cannot judge a QBs ability to complete passes by look at comp% alone.
Comp% doesn't equal a QBs ability to complete passes it indicates the team's ability to complete passes.

For someone who is offended by the word bitching, you sure are adept at getting your hands dirty and slinging the mud around.

To borrow from you:

I give as good as I get

I try to post in converstaional manner the way i would holding a conversation at a sports bar.

I just have a tendency to be more receptive to opinions that make sense in the context of everything I already read/see/use.

Maybe you need to be expand the context of things you read/see/use to allow yourself to be more receptive to different opinions.
That way you would be more receptive to people like Mayock and Gil Brandt both of whom don't share your view about Jake Locker since both have him as 1st rounder.

BTW- Do you have any comment about the fact that Locker and Gabbert have similar efficiency numbers?