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[celts32]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

My definition of rebuilding is Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, Bill Parcell's Patriots, Mike McCarthy's Packers, Raheem Morris's Buc's, Sean Peytons Saint's, Bill Polian's Colts. The nucleus of these teams were all young drafted players, with a few vets to provide some leadership and experience. That's the route I would like to see the Redskins go. All of these teams drafted their starting QB, starting WR, starting RB, and O-lineman.

They didn't sign an old QB, a no-name undrafted RB, a WR from the arena league, and hand me down o-lineman. Anyone who thinks our recent course of action is rational is beyond idiotic.

What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.

Sorry, missed that at first.

Your comments are spot on.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by celts32

What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.

With the exception of Brees everything I laid out was spot on. I can easily replace the Saints and make my case with the Steelers. They took Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Rashard Mendenhall, Santonio Holmes(yes I know Holmes was traded, but he did help them win a SB), Pouncey, in rounds 1, and took Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders in rounds 3, and Aaron Brown in round 6. Notice none of them are free agents, all performed extremely well in the post-season.

I'm not saying what you're advocating is wrong, I would just prefer the Redskins to build their nucleus through the draft, especially our offense like the teams I mentioned did. I'm not against signing young free-agents like Sidney Rice and Jason Jones, but unrestricted free-agents with that ability at that age is extremely rare, so we can't depend on filling our holes through FA's.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

With the exception of Brees everything I laid out was spot on. I can easily replace the Saints and make my case with the Steelers. They took Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Rashard Mendenhall, Santonio Holmes(yes I know Holmes was traded, but he did help them win a SB), Pouncey, in rounds 1, and took Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders in rounds 3, and Aaron Brown in round 6. Notice none of them are free agents, all performed extremely well in the post-season.

I'm not saying what you're advocating is wrong, I would just prefer the Redskins to build their nucleus through the draft, especially our offense like the teams I mentioned did. I'm not against signing young free-agents like Sidney Rice and Jason Jones, but unrestricted free-agents with that ability at that age is extremely rare, so we can't depend on filling our holes through FA's.

I am not disputing any of what you are saying, the only reason this conversation started was because it was suggested that the Redskins will not be "rebuilding" unless it is done 100% through the draft. And that's just not true. In a perfect world the Redskins would have some nice young talent from the vinny years on board and a bushell full of draft picks stockpiled for the next few years and they would fill every hole with a young stud that they drafted. That's not reality though...the reality is that the cubbards are bare and we can either use only the draft and wait at least 5 years while the roster is remade or we can try and use a combination of under 30 free agents and the draft and try and get better sooner.