Joe Gibbs lied

[offiss]

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by offiss

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

Pretty much what I've been getting at. I am offended that Joe said they would upgrade the offense, when I knew they wouldn't because I knew the 2 guys they were gonna pick and that's exactly what they did. Ignore the need to upgrade an anemic offense and bolster a defense we couldn't keep together. QB doesn't make sense. We could have gotten one next year with our first round pick. Then we would have had a day one receiver. That seems like pretty good logic to me. I don't agree in taking out insurance well before it is needed in this case.

[joecrisp]

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by offiss

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

Marty's GM skills were better than anything else the Skins have had since Casserly was fired, and Marty's doing a fine job out there in San Diego. My point was basically that, outside of the Marty year, this team has been like a rudderless ship since Casserly was fired. Like yourself, I put much of the blame for that on Snyder's infatuation with himself and his toady, Vinny Cerrato. To me, it's not so much a lack of talent evaluation skills as it is an ineptitude with draft management, and a propensity to overpay for the talent they want-- whether in the form of ridiculous signing bonuses or draft picks or both.

Combine that with the staff turnover of the past six years, and the inability or refusal to retain the quality talent that they're actually able to draft, and you wind up with a team that's constantly spinning its wheels, and seemingly never able to get moving forward. Or, like Dan Patrick was saying on ESPN Radio all last week, it seems like the Redskins under Dan Snyder have been a car in traffic that just keeps changing lanes, hoping to somehow outmaneuver the traffic in front of them, without realizing that if they just picked a lane and stuck with it, they'd probably reach their destination a lot faster with a lot less trouble.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by offiss

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

I agree that Marty did a good job with the draft, but what's done is done.

As for Gibbs track record, how many years did he coach Desmond Howard? ONE! Nobody will ever know if he would have turned into something better if Gibbs had stuck around. My point being, I'm sick of people pointing back to that. Every team has draft busts.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

I agree that Marty did a good job with the draft, but what's done is done.

As for Gibbs track record, how many years did he coach Desmond Howard? ONE! Nobody will ever know if he would have turned into something better if Gibbs had stuck around. My point being, I'm sick of people pointing back to that. Every team has draft busts.

He did winde up with GB with Favre and couldn't muster more than being a return man for them, I would say if he had any talent at WR favre would have gotten him the ball?

[CRT3]

Hey guys after Beatherd left Casserly was the GM and Gibbs did have more power. Gibbs is always straight up and to call him a lier is just flat out wrong.