Dow Drops More Than 500 Points

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlinginSammy, how about I make this the last rebuttal, if you will, and let's call it a draw.

Fair enough LOL

[hooskins]

Taking another beating today.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Taking another beating today.

And today...and yesterday...and tomorrow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

And today...and yesterday...and tomorrow.

Well...not yesterday

[Monkeydad]

[12thMan]

Well, with all due respect dream on if you think this Carter 2.0. There are a few roads that could take Obama back to Chicago in 2012, portraying him as Jimmy Carter ain't one of them.

It tickles me when I hear today's conservatives pining for Ronald Reagan. Truth is Ronald Reagan wouldn't be elected in this current political environment. If you look at the trajectory of Ronald Reagan's political career prior to becoming president he was pro-union and as president he raised taxes at least 11 times in various ways and expanded the size of the federal government. These are issues that today's GOP are decidedly against and have, rightfully or wrongfully, drawn a line in the sand. In short, there is no Ronald Reagan on the other side to challenge Obama, even if they're successful in portraying him as Carter 2.0.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, with all due respect dream on if you think this Carter 2.0. There are a few roads that could take Obama back to Chicago in 2012, portraying him as Jimmy Carter ain't one of them.

It tickles me when I hear today's conservatives pining for Ronald Reagan. Truth is Ronald Reagan wouldn't be elected in this current political environment. If you look at the trajectory of Ronald Reagan's political career prior to becoming president he was pro-union and as president he raised taxes at least 11 times in various ways and expanded the size of the federal government. These are issues that today's GOP are decidedly against and have, rightfully or wrongfully, drawn a line in the sand. In short, there is no Ronald Reagan on the other side to challenge Obama, even if they're successful in portraying him as Carter 2.0.

Thats would be like saying that Bill Clinton could not get elected because he cut SS and social programs.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, with all due respect dream on if you think this Carter 2.0. There are a few roads that could take Obama back to Chicago in 2012, portraying him as Jimmy Carter ain't one of them.

It tickles me when I hear today's conservatives pining for Ronald Reagan. Truth is Ronald Reagan wouldn't be elected in this current political environment. If you look at the trajectory of Ronald Reagan's political career prior to becoming president he was pro-union and as president he raised taxes at least 11 times in various ways and expanded the size of the federal government. These are issues that today's GOP are decidedly against and have, rightfully or wrongfully, drawn a line in the sand. In short, there is no Ronald Reagan on the other side to challenge Obama, even if they're successful in portraying him as Carter 2.0.

Stop busting their bubble, their miracle worker is on the way!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, with all due respect dream on if you think this Carter 2.0. There are a few roads that could take Obama back to Chicago in 2012, portraying him as Jimmy Carter ain't one of them.

What do me, Maureen Dowd, and unnamed "Democratic lawmakers" referenced by Dowd have in common.....we all agree with Dirtbag

Obama Is Jimmy Carter 2.0 - FoxNews.com

It tickles me when I hear today's conservatives pining for Ronald Reagan. Truth is Ronald Reagan wouldn't be elected in this current political environment. If you look at the trajectory of Ronald Reagan's political career prior to becoming president he was pro-union and as president he raised taxes at least 11 times in various ways and expanded the size of the federal government. These are issues that today's GOP are decidedly against and have, rightfully or wrongfully, drawn a line in the sand. In short, there is no Ronald Reagan on the other side to challenge Obama, even if they're successful in portraying him as Carter 2.0.

Reagan governed with a Democratic Congress that drove the tax increases. The expanded size of gov't was to defeat the greatest threat to freedom the world has ever seen.

You'd be a great NASCAR driver, you can only turn left.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What do me, Maureen Dowd, and unnamed "Democratic lawmakers" referenced by Dowd have in common.....we all agree with Dirtbag

Obama Is Jimmy Carter 2.0 - FoxNews.com

Reagan governed with a Democratic Congress that drove the tax increases. The expanded size of gov't was to defeat the greatest threat to freedom the world has ever seen.

You'd be a great NASCAR driver, you can only turn left.

reagan put in withholding, raised taxes on new investment, and vastly expanded the dept of Education (which he said he'd completely dismantle in his campaign).

the rep. party has veered soo far right, there's no way he'd be elected, cause he made deals with democrats, which is unacceptable :P and he tripled the national debt, which the right definitely couldn't stand for... i guess, even though gw bush vastly expanded gov. and debt too (medicare, tax cuts, TSA).

the ridiculous tax structure in california began with reagan (first year, he upped cig tax, gas tax, death tax, sales tax, etc etc etc... we're taking 40%+).

I'm a big fan of reagan, but people seem to mis-remember the actual details of his years in office. he beat the reds and people liked him, but he was very much a moderate in today's terms... unelectably so (well, unelectable by the rep party, the popular vote would be there, he'd just never get the chance to get on that ballot).

[Beemnseven]

Check out the new documentary by Eugene Jarecki (who I think is one of the best documentary filmmakers out there). Jarecki also directed the film "Why We Fight", a movie that just might turn you to the anti-war side. He takes a good look at the legend of Ronald Reagan -- how his legacy is shaping the field of politics now.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by That Guy

reagan I'm a big fan of reagan, but people seem to mis-remember the actual details of his years in office. he beat the reds and people liked him, but he was very much a moderate in today's terms... unelectably so (well, unelectable by the rep party, the popular vote would be there, he'd just never get the chance to get on that ballot).

I'm a big fan of Reagan too, and although he did increase some taxes, overall they were lowered a great deal from the 70s and the country/economy was on the right track. He had two primary goals, defeat the Soviets and get the country on sound financial footing.

I disagree that Reagan would win in the GOP primary, McCain was the 2008 candidate and Romney is leading the polls last I checked by a good margin, we'll see how things go tonight.

At some point the line has to be drawn on tax & spend. I can live with modest across the board tax increases, but they have to go along with a BBA and real reform to entitlements. Without a BBA and real entitlement reform, no way I'd support raising taxes. I certainly don't trust a D in the WH and a D controlled Senate to rein in spending (I was no fan of Bush's spending orgy either, he was certainly no fiscal hawk).

I think both parties are under too much assault from the fringes, but with the blogs, web, social networking, and 24x7 information overload it allows the loudest voices more access than they ever had in the past.

[12thMan]

Sliggin, I lived in North Carolina for a minute

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sliggin, I lived in North Carolina for a minute

Must resist urge to post Clay Davis video....Compromise with self....post link instead.

[Schneed10]

Man, do you guys put as much effort into your jobs as you do into debating?

You must be superstars.