Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open)

[MTK]

Not a fan of Beck but to me there's no point in going back to Grossman either. Neither guy is the answer here, maybe Grossman gives you a better chance at winning another game or two, but what does that accomplish? I say give Beck the rest of the season to see if he can improve at all.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not a fan of Beck but to me there's no point in going back to Grossman either. Neither guy is the answer here, maybe Grossman gives you a better chance at winning another game or two, but what does that accomplish? I say give Beck the rest of the season to see if he can improve at all.

Starting Grossman is at least going to help the wr's in the passing game. Beck simply has no feel for the passing game farther than 10 yards.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Starting Grossman is at least going to help the wr's in the passing game. Beck simply has no feel for the passing game farther than 10 yards.

True I'll give you that, if playing Grossman helps in being able to better evaluate the WRs, then I can accept going that route.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Starting Grossman is at least going to help the wr's in the passing game. Beck simply has no feel for the passing game farther than 10 yards.

Yes, this is exactly it. I love the youth movement that we saw yesterday but Beck being so completely inept is going to stunt the growth of all our young offensive players. Beck is NOT our future QB so why are we going to go through growing pains grooming him? Inbetween his turnovers Rex will run the offense properly and get the ball to our WR's when they are open. Rex is terrible...I never thought i would want him back in there but Beck is not even an NFL QB. His only scoring drives since he started playing are garbage time drives. It seemed like yesterday he was determined not to be sacked 10 times so he was just checking the ball down imediately before anything developed.

And I was there yesterday...so I saw the whole field on every play...this is not Kyle...we had open WR's all over the field. This is a QB problem...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

Yes, this is exactly it. I love the youth movement that we saw yesterday but Beck being so completely inept is going to stunt the growth of all our young offensive players. Beck is NOT our future QB so why are we going to go through growing pains grooming him? Inbetween his turnovers Rex will run the offense properly and get the ball to our WR's when they are open. Rex is terrible...I never thought i would want him back in there but Beck is not even an NFL QB. His only scoring drives since he started playing are garbage time drives. It seemed like yesterday he was determined not to be sacked 10 times so he was just checking the ball down imediately before anything developed.

And I was there yesterday...so I saw the whole field on every play...this is not Kyle...we had open WR's all over the field. This is a QB problem...

Do me a favor. Step outside your home, or office. Wherever you are. Look for the nearest hill. Go climb to the top of that hill...and Preach!!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by celts32

Yes, this is exactly it. I love the youth movement that we saw yesterday but Beck being so completely inept is going to stunt the growth of all our young offensive players. Beck is NOT our future QB so why are we going to go through growing pains grooming him? Inbetween his turnovers Rex will run the offense properly and get the ball to our WR's when they are open. Rex is terrible...I never thought i would want him back in there but Beck is not even an NFL QB. His only scoring drives since he started playing are garbage time drives. It seemed like yesterday he was determined not to be sacked 10 times so
And I was there yesterday...so I saw the whole field on every play...this is not Kyle...we had open WR's all over the field. This is a QB probhe was just checking the ball down imediately before anything developed. lem...

It was shown on replay that wr's were open downfield. It's very obvious that Beck simply isn't comfortable pushing the ball downfiled. To me it just looks like he can't drive the ball into tight spots. Whatever it is I've seen enough. But not giving Kyle a pass. He has to shoulder some of the blame too.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It was shown on replay that wr's were open downfield. It's very obvious that Beck simply isn't comfortable pushing the ball downfiled. To me it just looks like he can't drive the ball into tight spots. Whatever it is I've seen enough. But not giving Kyle a pass. He has to shoulder some of the blame too.

Agreed...there's plenty of blame to go around. But many Redskins fans want to fire Kyle and think that our offense would suddenly improve a bunch if Mike were calling the plays. I don't believe that. And anyone calling for coaching firings 24 games into a rebuild is the equivilent of a 39 year old Dan Snyder...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by celts32

Agreed...there's plenty of blame to go around. But many Redskins fans want to fire Kyle and think that our offense would suddenly improve a bunch if Mike were calling the plays. I don't believe that. And anyone calling for coaching firings 24 games into a rebuild is the equivilent of a 39 year old Dan Snyder...

Yesterday I thought Kyle had a good game calling plays. I'd like to see a few more running plays mixed in but for the most part he did well mixing things up.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yesterday I thought Kyle had a good game calling plays. I'd like to see a few more running plays mixed in but for the most part he did well mixing things up.

I thought they stuck with the run as much as they could yesterday...you have to try to move the chains and we don't have an offense that can just run play after play and gain first downs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

Yes, this is exactly it. I love the youth movement that we saw yesterday but Beck being so completely inept is going to stunt the growth of all our young offensive players. Beck is NOT our future QB so why are we going to go through growing pains grooming him? Inbetween his turnovers Rex will run the offense properly and get the ball to our WR's when they are open. Rex is terrible...I never thought i would want him back in there but Beck is not even an NFL QB. His only scoring drives since he started playing are garbage time drives. It seemed like yesterday he was determined not to be sacked 10 times so he was just checking the ball down imediately before anything developed.

And I was there yesterday...so I saw the whole field on every play...this is not Kyle...we had open WR's all over the field. This is a QB problem...

I agree with you and SS. Beck's play obscured a lot of potential positives from this game. It was our best use of personnel the whole season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not a fan of Beck but to me there's no point in going back to Grossman either. Neither guy is the answer here, maybe Grossman gives you a better chance at winning another game or two, but what does that accomplish? I say give Beck the rest of the season to see if he can improve at all.

It's remarkable that two straight years, our quarterback situation has put us in a spot where this is a reasonable conclusion. There is nothing that John Beck can do in the next eight games that makes him a viable option going forward. I'm sure he will improve, but at the end of the year it still has to be someone else.

I'm one of the biggest proponents of the idea that taking the focus off the quarterback position is one of the easiest way to rebuild a team in the QB-crazy modern NFL. But any personnel guy who failed this hard two consecutive years at rebuilding the offense would get fired. Even Vinny Cerrato. I'm at the point where if Bruce Allen isn't going to be the guy calling the shots on personnel, then Bruce Allen needs to hire a guy who will. You, me, anyone but the status quo.

We don't even need to tear down the structure of the front office. We just need to fix the problem.