Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open)

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

You have to believe that the Shanahan/Allen consortium recognizes that this team needs a QB change for next year, right?

OK, so they go and draft one - - but the question will still remain:

Is this guy going to be ready to start on Day One of the 2012 season?

So, they could well go into Free Agency to find a guy who has been around for a while to use as a "mentor" or a "stopgap" or at the very least as a credible back-up QB in the event that the draftee gets his bell rung.

Keep an ear to the ground to try and figure out which NFL free agent might be coming here next March as the guy who will be standing next to the Draft Day Hero that the Skins select.

Rather than Matt Leinart, I would prefer Kyle Orton in that role...

The Redskins did try to get Leinart after the lockout. If Mike Shanahan thinks that John Beck is in developmental mode, and he's the QB of the future, then he needs to have his head examined. Given the injuries on offense, I'm not taking anything away from Beck. I just doubt that he's the answer at QB. If Allen and Shanahan doesn't realize this, then the Redskins will be doomed to be disastrous in 2012. We need to draft Griffin III, L. Jones, or Matt Barkley with our first pick.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins did try to get Leinart after the lockout. If Mike Shanahan thinks that John Beck is in developmental mode, and he's the QB of the future, then he needs to have his head examined. Given the injuries on offense, I'm not taking anything away from Beck. I just doubt that he's the answer at QB. If Allen and Shanahan doesn't realize this, then the Redskins will be doomed to be disastrous in 2012. We need to draft Griffin III, L. Jones, or Matt Barkley with our first pick.

I don't see how he could think Beck is the qb of the future, unless he's enamored with inaccurate throws, intentional grounding, happy feet, throwing to the guy he picks pre-snap instead of progressing through his reads, not trusting his offensive line, using his mobility to run into defensive players, showing a general inability to make plays, and having his defense spend way too much time on the field. If that's the case, then Beck is his guy. Oh yeah and also being 0-7 as a starting qb in the NFL.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't see how he could think Beck is the qb of the future, unless he's enamored with inaccurate throws, intentional grounding, happy feet, throwing to the guy he picks pre-snap instead of progressing through his reads, not trusting his offensive line, using his mobility to run into defensive players, showing a general inability to make plays, and having his defense spend way too much time on the field. If that's the case, then Beck is his guy. Oh yeah and also being 0-7 as a starting qb in the NFL.

Mike Shanahan makes excuses for Beck, much like Norv Turner used to make excuses for Gus Frerotte. Shanahan talks about how Beck is a young QB, and he needs time to develop. This is basically saying that no matter how our QB position looks to everyone outside of the organization including sports writers and NFL analysts, Mike Shanahan will overlook Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, and Matt Barkley and continue on with Beck in the future. If this happens I will be so angry with our head coach. However, even in Beck becomes more consistent and plays beautifully the second half of the season, I still don't see how Allen and Shanahan can neglect the QB position for a second straight year.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Mike Shanahan makes excuses for Beck, much like Norv Turner used to make excuses for Gus Frerotte. Shanahan talks about how Beck is a young QB, and he needs time to develop. This is basically saying that no matter how our QB position looks to everyone outside of the organization including sports writers and NFL analysts, Mike Shanahan will overlook Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, and Matt Barkley and continue on with Beck in the future. If this happens I will be so angry with our head coach. However, even in Beck becomes more consistent and plays beautifully the second half of the season, I still don't see how Allen and Shanahan can neglect the QB position for a second straight year.

If both of them want to remain as HC and GM of the Washington Redskins, they won't overlook a QB in the 2012 draft. They would be dragged through the coals by the media and fans.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Mike Shanahan makes excuses for Beck, much like Norv Turner used to make excuses for Gus Frerotte. Shanahan talks about how Beck is a young QB, and he needs time to develop. This is basically saying that no matter how our QB position looks to everyone outside of the organization including sports writers and NFL analysts, Mike Shanahan will overlook Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, and Matt Barkley and continue on with Beck in the future. If this happens I will be so angry with our head coach. However, even in Beck becomes more consistent and plays beautifully the second half of the season, I still don't see how Allen and Shanahan can neglect the QB position for a second straight year.

You need to learn how to read coach-speak. Of course he makes excuses for Beck, he made excuses for McNabb up until the point he benched him and even until he traded him too. I mean really, do you think Shanahan doesn't understand how bad Beck is? Do you think he's blinded by how Beck says all the right things, or do you think Shanny has shown a favoritism towards Mormon qb's throughout his career? Come on man, even if Beck starts playing better I'm pretty sure Mike Shanahan isn't saying, ok this guy is only 30 years young, he's obviously got a couple decades left as a good starter in this league.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by mooby

You need to learn how to read coach-speak. Of course he makes excuses for Beck, he made excuses for McNabb up until the point he benched him and even until he traded him too. I mean really, do you think Shanahan doesn't understand how bad Beck is? Do you think he's blinded by how Beck says all the right things, or do you think Shanny has shown a favoritism towards Mormon qb's throughout his career? Come on man, even if Beck starts playing better I'm pretty sure Mike Shanahan isn't saying, ok this guy is only 30 years young, he's obviously got a couple decades left as a good starter in this league.

theres a difference between coach speak and out right lying. i have been defending shanny because i reaaaallllly don't want to have to get another coach in a year or two, but you can't tell me you still buy anything he is selling. and i don't think there was ever a point in which shanny stuck up for mcnubb the way he stands up for beck. i would love nothing more for beck to be a solid starter for us for years, but now i don't even want him as a backup, i'd rather keep rex, if he'll stay. while rex will turn the ball over a few times he will at least try to put you in a spot to win by trying to make plays. beck is a proven loser that is just not a nfl caliber qb, and the thing that is scary is how shanny put his reputation on beck, and grossman for that matter. if he really still thinks beck can play in the nfl i am scared to see what happens with future qbs he brings in, because he lost a lot of cred with the move to stick with beck and rex this year. i just don't know how much we are hurting the development of our young receiving core by leaving beck in there to dump off to helu 100 times a week.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

theres a difference between coach speak and out right lying. i have been defending shanny because i reaaaallllly don't want to have to get another coach in a year or two, but you can't tell me you still buy anything he is selling. and i don't think there was ever a point in which shanny stuck up for mcnubb the way he stands up for beck. i would love nothing more for beck to be a solid starter for us for years, but now i don't even want him as a backup, i'd rather keep rex, if he'll stay. while rex will turn the ball over a few times he will at least try to put you in a spot to win by trying to make plays. beck is a proven loser that is just not a nfl caliber qb, and the thing that is scary is how shanny put his reputation on beck, and grossman for that matter. if he really still thinks beck can play in the nfl i am scared to see what happens with future qbs he brings in, because he lost a lot of cred with the move to stick with beck and rex this year. i just don't know how much we are hurting the development of our young receiving core by leaving beck in there to dump off to helu 100 times a week.

Very often there is no difference.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

theres a difference between coach speak and out right lying. i have been defending shanny because i reaaaallllly don't want to have to get another coach in a year or two, but you can't tell me you still buy anything he is selling. and i don't think there was ever a point in which shanny stuck up for mcnubb the way he stands up for beck. i would love nothing more for beck to be a solid starter for us for years, but now i don't even want him as a backup, i'd rather keep rex, if he'll stay. while rex will turn the ball over a few times he will at least try to put you in a spot to win by trying to make plays. beck is a proven loser that is just not a nfl caliber qb, and the thing that is scary is how shanny put his reputation on beck, and grossman for that matter. if he really still thinks beck can play in the nfl i am scared to see what happens with future qbs he brings in, because he lost a lot of cred with the move to stick with beck and rex this year. i just don't know how much we are hurting the development of our young receiving core by leaving beck in there to dump off to helu 100 times a week.

I'm not buying that either. Coaches probably don't sit back and feel guilty about saying nothing of importance to the media. I mean the only way you'd probably get honesty out of Shanahan regarding the qb situation is if you sat him down and injected truth serum in him. We're stuck with Beck and Grossman for the rest of the year. What do you expect him to say? Well shit, I ****ed up, and now we're screwed. Or, well Beck is my guy, and we're just gonna see where this goes. He'll say the latter every single time. And besides, when has he ever committed to Beck returning as the starter next season anyways?

And as far as Beck goes, the season's not over yet. Maybe, call me crazy, he settles down as he gets more experience and shows up something. Can't hurt to try, since it looks like the season is shot anyways.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm not buying that either. Coaches probably don't sit back and feel guilty about saying nothing of importance to the media. I mean the only way you'd probably get honesty out of Shanahan regarding the qb situation is if you sat him down and injected truth serum in him. We're stuck with Beck and Grossman for the rest of the year. What do you expect him to say? Well shit, I ****ed up, and now we're screwed. Or, well Beck is my guy, and we're just gonna see where this goes. He'll say the latter every single time. And besides, when has he ever committed to Beck returning as the starter next season anyways?

And as far as Beck goes, the season's not over yet. Maybe, call me crazy, he settles down as he gets more experience and shows up something. Can't hurt to try, since it looks like the season is shot anyways.

crazy, although i am in the same boat, i know he sucks, but the burgundy and gold flowing through my veins still hopes he'll show up, httr

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever;857952[B

]The Redskins did try to get Leinart after the lockout[/B]. If Mike Shanahan thinks that John Beck is in developmental mode, and he's the QB of the future, then he needs to have his head examined. Given the injuries on offense, I'm not taking anything away from Beck. I just doubt that he's the answer at QB. If Allen and Shanahan doesn't realize this, then the Redskins will be doomed to be disastrous in 2012. We need to draft Griffin III, L. Jones, or Matt Barkley with our first pick.

Well if he did you can add that to the list of horrible descisions he's made.Leinart is awful,I would take Grossman over leinart all day long.Houston was stupid for giving him a contract,they better pray Schaub doesnt get hurt.Leinart didnt even look good in preseason with the texans