O-Line and ST questions

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I think that just the opposite could happen from this incident. It could be the scared straight thing that turns his life around. If he is on the field we need him in a skins jersy and not playing for another team. If he becomes a team distration then maybe we have to rethink his value to the team. As for now we have to let the chips fall where they fall and move on from there. After this year we may not even have a choice on his status, it could be made for us. While reading the article on him I couldn't help but think of Ricky Williams and thats not good.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Just a couple of comments here:

1. The Redskins are not permitted to re-do Taylor's contract now. The CBA forbids it. A rookie contract cannot be renegotiated until after one year passes from the date the original one was signed. So, if the Skins redid Taylor's deal now, they'd be fined by the league and the renegotiated contract would be voided.

2. I understand that someone who works for an employer that is going to pay that person millions of dollars might have to sacrifice some of his rights and freedoms to accommodate the wishes of his beneficient employer. But it seems like an awful lot to ask of someone that they waive their right to own a gun or a knife (does that include dinner knives so you can cut your T-Bone steak?) or to suffer a penalty when being charged with a crime. A baseball bat can be a lethal weapon; would it be reasonable to say that NFL contracts forbid a player to own a baseball bat?

3. "Innocent until proven guilty" has worked for about 220 years so I'd be reluctant to throw away all of that legal standing just because some athletes get in trouble.

4. Someone said that athletes would be forced to use better judgment. Sorr, but I have to disagree here. I don't think anyone can force anyone else to use good judgment - - particularly when there is not a whole lot of basis to say that the person in question has the ability to exercise good judgment. In Sean Taylor's case, I'm hard pressed to come up with a situation where the outcome showed that he used good judgment. Maybe it's because he felt no pressure to do so. OR maybe "good judgment" is beyond his capacity. He is after all a world class MEATHEAD.

5. Dockery was better last year than he was his rookie year. Dockery last year was still below average as a starting guard in the NFL. Can he improve? Sure, he's only a kid. Will he improve? That's the big question for the OL this year because if he does not improve, there will be a hole in the dike.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just a couple of comments here:

1. The Redskins are not permitted to re-do Taylor's contract now. The CBA forbids it. A rookie contract cannot be renegotiated until after one year passes from the date the original one was signed. So, if the Skins redid Taylor's deal now, they'd be fined by the league and the renegotiated contract would be voided.

2. I understand that someone who works for an employer that is going to pay that person millions of dollars might have to sacrifice some of his rights and freedoms to accommodate the wishes of his beneficient employer. But it seems like an awful lot to ask of someone that they waive their right to own a gun or a knife (does that include dinner knives so you can cut your T-Bone steak?) or to suffer a penalty when being charged with a crime. A baseball bat can be a lethal weapon; would it be reasonable to say that NFL contracts forbid a player to own a baseball bat?

3. "Innocent until proven guilty" has worked for about 220 years so I'd be reluctant to throw away all of that legal standing just because some athletes get in trouble.

4. Someone said that athletes would be forced to use better judgment. Sorr, but I have to disagree here. I don't think anyone can force anyone else to use good judgment - - particularly when there is not a whole lot of basis to say that the person in question has the ability to exercise good judgment. In Sean Taylor's case, I'm hard pressed to come up with a situation where the outcome showed that he used good judgment. Maybe it's because he felt no pressure to do so. OR maybe "good judgment" is beyond his capacity. He is after all a world class MEATHEAD.

5. Dockery was better last year than he was his rookie year. Dockery last year was still below average as a starting guard in the NFL. Can he improve? Sure, he's only a kid. Will he improve? That's the big question for the OL this year because if he does not improve, there will be a hole in the dike.

SC-
Up until #4 you had me scared there. I was afraid you'd grown soft on Taylor.

I would worry less about Dockery than most of you are. He is going to be spending his second year with one of history's great position coaches, and last year - when we had some depth on the O-line (Friedman has several starts at guard over his career) - Dockery got all his starts. He may not have looked good to us, but Bugel sees things a little differently.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just a couple of comments here:

1. The Redskins are not permitted to re-do Taylor's contract now. The CBA forbids it. A rookie contract cannot be renegotiated until after one year passes from the date the original one was signed. So, if the Skins redid Taylor's deal now, they'd be fined by the league and the renegotiated contract would be voided.

2. I understand that someone who works for an employer that is going to pay that person millions of dollars might have to sacrifice some of his rights and freedoms to accommodate the wishes of his beneficient employer. But it seems like an awful lot to ask of someone that they waive their right to own a gun or a knife (does that include dinner knives so you can cut your T-Bone steak?) or to suffer a penalty when being charged with a crime. A baseball bat can be a lethal weapon; would it be reasonable to say that NFL contracts forbid a player to own a baseball bat?

3. "Innocent until proven guilty" has worked for about 220 years so I'd be reluctant to throw away all of that legal standing just because some athletes get in trouble.

4. Someone said that athletes would be forced to use better judgment. Sorr, but I have to disagree here. I don't think anyone can force anyone else to use good judgment - - particularly when there is not a whole lot of basis to say that the person in question has the ability to exercise good judgment. In Sean Taylor's case, I'm hard pressed to come up with a situation where the outcome showed that he used good judgment. Maybe it's because he felt no pressure to do so. OR maybe "good judgment" is beyond his capacity. He is after all a world class MEATHEAD.

5. Dockery was better last year than he was his rookie year. Dockery last year was still below average as a starting guard in the NFL. Can he improve? Sure, he's only a kid. Will he improve? That's the big question for the OL this year because if he does not improve, there will be a hole in the dike.

There is officially a first time for everything.. I agree with SC!

[aprius]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just a couple of comments here:

1. The Redskins are not permitted to re-do Taylor's contract now. The CBA forbids it. A rookie contract cannot be renegotiated until after one year passes from the date the original one was signed. So, if the Skins redid Taylor's deal now, they'd be fined by the league and the renegotiated contract would be voided.

2. I understand that someone who works for an employer that is going to pay that person millions of dollars might have to sacrifice some of his rights and freedoms to accommodate the wishes of his beneficient employer. But it seems like an awful lot to ask of someone that they waive their right to own a gun or a knife (does that include dinner knives so you can cut your T-Bone steak?) or to suffer a penalty when being charged with a crime. A baseball bat can be a lethal weapon; would it be reasonable to say that NFL contracts forbid a player to own a baseball bat?

3. "Innocent until proven guilty" has worked for about 220 years so I'd be reluctant to throw away all of that legal standing just because some athletes get in trouble.

4. Someone said that athletes would be forced to use better judgment. Sorr, but I have to disagree here. I don't think anyone can force anyone else to use good judgment - - particularly when there is not a whole lot of basis to say that the person in question has the ability to exercise good judgment. In Sean Taylor's case, I'm hard pressed to come up with a situation where the outcome showed that he used good judgment. Maybe it's because he felt no pressure to do so. OR maybe "good judgment" is beyond his capacity. He is after all a world class MEATHEAD.

5. Dockery was better last year than he was his rookie year. Dockery last year was still below average as a starting guard in the NFL. Can he improve? Sure, he's only a kid. Will he improve? That's the big question for the OL this year because if he does not improve, there will be a hole in the dike.

1. They can void the contract and re-do it that way. No penalty.

2. Dont be overly dramatic. I am not talking silverware unless it is bought with the intent to kill or harm. People can buy butcher knives to kill with and often do. Some of our worst killers used them.

3. Innocent until proven guilty doesnt work in business or politics. Why should it work in the NFL? The NFL is a massive business. Their employees(players) need more accountability. I was once fired for suspicion of doing something that 3 years later was proven to be done by my manager. I got an apology after the company went bankrupt because of him. The NFL can do the same thing. I am not saying he can not own a gun after he gets out of the NFL. After all, for most, NFL means Not For Long. Would you rather see one of the best safeties ever to roam the field or would you like him rotting in prison for murder one day?.....which it may come to if he keeps upping the ante. The DUI he got of on technicalities. He wont do that forever... even with Rosenhaus.

4. You said it yourself..."Maybe it's because he felt no pressure to do so." You proved my point for me. Thank you. You may wish to reiterate that and say you agree with me.

5. I disagree. I think Dockery played alot better in his rookie year and I think many coaches that watched him would agree. Ray Brown is not an answer....his body has to give out one day and it will be sooner than later.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by aprius

1. They can void the contract and re-do it that way. No penalty.

Ummmm...no they can't. The CBA specifically forbids reworking a rookie's contract until one year from signing. Besides simply voiding the contract is not reworking his deal...it is cutting him which makes him a free agent so he could sign anywhere. There is no way they are going to cut their first round draft pick from last year. Also they'd have to have pretty strong contract language to cut him BEFORE he has been found guilty of any crime.