Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Quite frankly, I think the majority of fans and media still are unconsciously operating under the schema that the Redskins can't do anything right. Hence, they pick out the negatives of our moves. Until we show them A LOT otherwise, this is the treatment we'll get.

And I remember they were pimping the Eagles' pick of Macho Harris and well, we know how that turned out in the end.

Yes, all of the above. It will just be a wait and see for now. But I can't wait until the redskins suit up against another team. I have a good feeling, but I've had a good feeling in other seasons too. Like I said, we'll see.

[12thMan]

Suppose there's actually a one in a million chance that RGIII is a bust. Well we got the one percent covered with Cousins.

[CultBrennan59]

The thing with Cousins that I don't like is the negative media publicity we get.


I like that we get griffin and let him know "Hey your the guy, but remember you're still competing with the young and the old, this isn't just Given to you."

Hopefully Cousins looks like Matt Flynn in Preseason and we can get a future 3rd or 2nd for him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

The thing with Cousins that I don't like is the negative media publicity we get.


I like that we get griffin and let him know "Hey your the guy, but remember you're still competing with the young and the old, this isn't just Given to you."

Hopefully Cousins looks like Matt Flynn in Preseason and we can get a future 3rd or 2nd for him.

Why do you care? Hatters gonna hat.. Media gonna be media so let them talk.

[warriorzpath]

... which is the most impactful position on the field.

[SirClintonPortis]

IMO, since this is still a rebuilding year, we can afford to sacrifice the present for the future. 8-8 is the same as 6-10 in terms of not making the playoffs.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

IMO, since this is still a rebuilding year, we can afford to sacrifice the present for the future. 8-8 is the same as 6-10 in terms of not making the playoffs.

That's the most compelling angle I've heard yet.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?



Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.

Can't fix stupid.

[SmootSmack]

I love that we got Cousins but in fairness you can't compare drafting a QB in the 3rd round to learn under a 31 year old "brittle veteran" to drafting a QB in the 4th to learn under a 22 year old phenom you just moved multiple high round picks for. They're two totally different situations.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I love that we got Cousins but in fairness you can't compare drafting a QB in the 3rd round to learn under a 31 year old "brittle veteran" to drafting a QB in the 4th to learn under a 22 year old phenom you just moved multiple high round picks for. They're two totally different situations.

Comparisons or not -- bottomline - drafting Cousins made the Redskins team better.

[warriorzpath]

And I'm hoping that Cousins improves enough to become the backup as the season goes along. Rex was nice to re-sign because he has familiarity with the system and he hopefully speeds up the learning by RGIII and Cousins, but I don't trust Gross Rexman, even as a backup.

[sportscurmudgeon]

I would like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction.

First of all, I liked Kirk Cousins as a QB at Mich State. I thought he would go earlier in the draft than the 4th round. So, that is sort of a "value pick" for the Skins.

Second, there are more than a few examples of recent NFL teams who have needed a competent back-up Qb to make it thru the season. QBs get injured; RG3 is a mobile QB so he is likely to be hit more often than some other QBs; ergo... Cousins may not be a competent back-up by the first week of October in 2012, but if the Skins are looking for a back-up to take the field that early, there are far bigger problems facing this team.

From a "football perspective", I like the pick.

Here is my concern.

The Redskins now have two young QBs both of whom have always been "the man" on their teams. Cousins knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he is going to be the backup and RG3 knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he will be the franchise QB. That's fine and dandy - - unless - -

RG3 obviously struggles with the offense and Cousins has to come into a game in the 3rd or 4th quarter because RG3 is just not playing well.

I don't care about the fan reaction in the circumstance; what I would fear would be the way the Shanahans will deal with the two young QBs in that circumstance. Remember how deftly and smoothly they handled benching Donovan McNabb in Detroit. Remember how skillfully they pulled Rex for Beck last year - - asserting that Beck was the best QB to come out of college in his year - - only to have to go back to Rex in another smooth tranistion a few games later.

The coaches did not handle either situation well. And a few of the QB jugglings in Denver were not handled perfectly either...

My concern is that the Shanahans might - - I said MIGHT - - not be well-equipped to deal with an on-the-field problem of that nature.

Hopefully it will not come to that. If it does, hopefully the Shanahans will handle it just a tad better than they did the McNabb/Grossman fandango.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I would like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction.

First of all, I liked Kirk Cousins as a QB at Mich State. I thought he would go earlier in the draft than the 4th round. So, that is sort of a "value pick" for the Skins.

Second, there are more than a few examples of recent NFL teams who have needed a competent back-up Qb to make it thru the season. QBs get injured; RG3 is a mobile QB so he is likely to be hit more often than some other QBs; ergo... Cousins may not be a competent back-up by the first week of October in 2012, but if the Skins are looking for a back-up to take the field that early, there are far bigger problems facing this team.

From a "football perspective", I like the pick.

Here is my concern.

The Redskins now have two young QBs both of whom have always been "the man" on their teams. Cousins knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he is going to be the backup and RG3 knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he will be the franchise QB. That's fine and dandy - - unless - -

RG3 obviously struggles with the offense and Cousins has to come into a game in the 3rd or 4th quarter because RG3 is just not playing well.

I don't care about the fan reaction in the circumstance; what I would fear would be the way the Shanahans will deal with the two young QBs in that circumstance. Remember how deftly and smoothly they handled benching Donovan McNabb in Detroit. Remember how skillfully they pulled Rex for Beck last year - - asserting that Beck was the best QB to come out of college in his year - - only to have to go back to Rex in another smooth tranistion a few games later.

The coaches did not handle either situation well. And a few of the QB jugglings in Denver were not handled perfectly either...

My concern is that the Shanahans might - - I said MIGHT - - not be well-equipped to deal with an on-the-field problem of that nature.

Hopefully it will not come to that. If it does, hopefully the Shanahans will handle it just a tad better than they did the McNabb/Grossman fandango.

That would be my fear too because if it came down to that this season, it would Redskins Armagedon.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

My concern is that the Shanahans might - - I said MIGHT - - not be well-equipped to deal with an on-the-field problem of that nature.............Hopefully it will not come to that.

I actually share that concern a little but then I remember watching the Baylor games.
And my most scientific analytical opinion overwhelms me again: Griffin is a stud.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I would like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction.

First of all, I liked Kirk Cousins as a QB at Mich State. I thought he would go earlier in the draft than the 4th round. So, that is sort of a "value pick" for the Skins.

Second, there are more than a few examples of recent NFL teams who have needed a competent back-up Qb to make it thru the season. QBs get injured; RG3 is a mobile QB so he is likely to be hit more often than some other QBs; ergo... Cousins may not be a competent back-up by the first week of October in 2012, but if the Skins are looking for a back-up to take the field that early, there are far bigger problems facing this team.

From a "football perspective", I like the pick.

Here is my concern.

The Redskins now have two young QBs both of whom have always been "the man" on their teams. Cousins knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he is going to be the backup and RG3 knows - - because the Shanahans have told him - - that he will be the franchise QB. That's fine and dandy - - unless - -

RG3 obviously struggles with the offense and Cousins has to come into a game in the 3rd or 4th quarter because RG3 is just not playing well.

I don't care about the fan reaction in the circumstance; what I would fear would be the way the Shanahans will deal with the two young QBs in that circumstance. Remember how deftly and smoothly they handled benching Donovan McNabb in Detroit. Remember how skillfully they pulled Rex for Beck last year - - asserting that Beck was the best QB to come out of college in his year - - only to have to go back to Rex in another smooth tranistion a few games later.

The coaches did not handle either situation well. And a few of the QB jugglings in Denver were not handled perfectly either...

My concern is that the Shanahans might - - I said MIGHT - - not be well-equipped to deal with an on-the-field problem of that nature.

Hopefully it will not come to that. If it does, hopefully the Shanahans will handle it just a tad better than they did the McNabb/Grossman fandango.

I was not happy with the pick when it happened,but theres been some very good arguments that have swayed me some.But I think sportscurmudgeon brings up a great point that is being overlooked by most people who are in favor of this pick.
HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE SHANAHANS WILL HANDLE THIS QB SITUATION THE RIGHT WAY AFTER THEIR TERRIBLE TRACK RECORD SO FAR? I have none,zero,zip,nada