Skins/Giants post game thread

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN

Osi Umenyiora on RGIII: "That guy is flat-out unbelievable. I’m not even going to lie. That’s the best quarterback we’ve played this year."






Both of our safeties are out. Who exactly should they have brought in that would have done any better? I floated this before (not you) and still haven't received a answer to this.

You misunderstand me. We came in to the year with a reject unit and prayers before the season started. Jackson, Merriweather and Williams were brought in to supplement Gomes and Doughty. If that's the best we could have done, so be it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You misunderstand me. We came in to the year with a reject unit and prayers before the season started. Jackson, Merriweather and Williams were brought in to supplement Gomes and Doughty. If that's the best we could have done, so be it.

Apologies. Just seen a few posts/tweets that blame the FO for the safety position, and haven't seen any suggestions as to what they could have actually done better.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Apologies. Just seen a few posts/tweets that blame the FO for the safety position, and haven't seen any suggestions as to what they could have actually done better.

Dude, we're fans -- our function is to moan and bitch when we lose. If the FO messes up, as they've done, we're supposed to rip them. They are the ones getting paid to make the decisions, why is it on us to suggest something else?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Apologies. Just seen a few posts/tweets that blame the FO for the safety position, and haven't seen any suggestions as to what they could have actually done better.

Apology accepted. I've been one of those all along more worried about our secondary than anything else. I don't know what the FO could have done differently ... kept Landry? Made a stonger play for B. Carr? The troll calling for signing B. Sanders ... please.

I don't know how they could have fixed it ... but it needed to be fixed. They made an effort to do it on the cheap and gambled.

With that said, it has been 3 years and we have gotten worse, not better in our defensive backfield over those 3 years. Is that Allen's fault? Shanahan's? Haslett's? To me, unless you can figure out why it's gone wrong, you can't really begin to fix it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Overlooked is that the NYG's scored 26 points last week against the ferocious San Fran defense. This is not some pansy offense that rolled us.

At the same time, no way Cruz should be behind the entire defense on that play.

I am with GTripp ... that fact that we are starting M. Williams is somebody's fault. The personnel choices that ended w/ him starting need to be reevaluated. On the other hand, calls for Haslett's head at this point strike me as foolish and unneeded desparation.

Yeah doo doo Williams is certainly a liability, but if we had addressed the safety position than some other postition would be a liability. Obviously secondary will be the number one focus this offseason. Rome wasnt built in a day. I personally am all for firing Haslett - I mean the guy has basically been a borderline slouch as a DC everywhere he has gone. He went to Pittsburgh and inherited a pretty good defense which got worse year after year with him at the helm until they let him go. Im just not sure why you keep him around. If it is because we are waiting for him to "do his thing" - well his 15 year track record says that is not going to happen.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yeah doo doo Williams is certainly a liability, but if we had addressed the safety position than some other postition would be a liability. Obviously secondary will be the number one focus this offseason. Rome wasnt built in a day. I personally am all for firing Haslett - I mean the guy has basically been a borderline slouch as a DC everywhere he has gone. He went to Pittsburgh and inherited a pretty good defense which got worse year after year with him at the helm until they let him go. Im just not sure why you keep him around. If it is because we are waiting for him to "do his thing" - well his 15 year track record says that is not going to happen.

Part of me wants him gone at the end of the year, and part of me looks at the talent on defense and wonders why people think we are supposed to be good there even if we had a different DC. Someone already made the point about the Giants against what is considered one of the best defenses putting up points on SF. We gave up 27, SF gave up 23.

Im still confused how we can lose Orakpo and Carriker, yet some people still claim that we have one of the most talented defenses in the league and its all on the coaches. (Not saying you made this claim punch it in but ive seen it said multiple times, and have heard it when out and about from other random skins fans)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Part of me wants him gone at the end of the year, and part of me looks at the talent on defense and wonders why people think we are supposed to be good there even if we had a different DC. Someone already made the point about the Giants against what is considered one of the best defenses putting up points on SF. We gave up 27, SF gave up 23.

Im still confused how we can lose Orakpo and Carriker, yet some people still claim that we have one of the most talented defenses in the league and its all on the coaches. (Not saying you made this claim punch it in but ive seen it said multiple times, and have heard it when out and about from other random skins fans)

Totally hear you, and you are rite - I will go on record now to say our defensive personell is shit, especially with RAK and Carriker out - lol. Its Hasletts track record that makes me wonder though. If he had success elswhere Id say "hey I cant wait till this guy gets the players and we see his Defense come into its own. But he has been in the league for years and has been shitcanned by the Saints and the Rams, and when he went to Pittsburgh he took a really good defense and for three years they got worse under him???? Im just not sure where we are going with him. Atleast if we give Morris a shot we know what we have in him come the offseason and it makes our decision easier. Listen the bottom line is our Defense is thee worst in the NFL - so how can it get worse if we "experiment" now?

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Totally hear you, and you are rite - I will go on record now to say our defensive personell is shit, especially with RAK and Carriker out - lol. Its Hasletts track record that makes me wonder though. If he had success elswhere Id say "hey I cant wait till this guy gets the players and we see his Defense come into its own. But he has been in the league for years and has been shitcanned by the Saints and the Rams, and when he went to Pittsburgh he took a really good defense and for three years they got worse under him???? Im just not sure where we are going with him. Atleast if we give Morris a shot we know what we have in him come the offseason and it makes our decision easier. Listen the bottom line is our Defense is thee worst in the NFL - so how can it get worse if we "experiment" now?

Exactly -- I didn't understand why there was all the excitement under Haslett. He hasn't exactly had a lot of success in other places.

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Turnovers killed us. No need to look much further for the reason why we lost.

+1 and we fought our guts out.

[mooby]

Because I'm now in the light-hearted phase of getting over a loss (first anger, then sadness, currently light-hearted, in a couple days will be optimistic) I'm enjoying this GIF of our waterboy holding the fort down. Waterboy for game mvp!

[jdc65]

Very discouraging way to lose a big game. I have absolutely no confidence in a Redskin defense to make a big stop in a key situation, and today's loss just amplifies that hopelessness. This would have been Shanahan's biggest victory in D.C. in my opinion, but now I believe it is his worst loss here.

The reality is this team has a losing mentality, they've had it since Gibbs-ll left, and Shanahan has done zero to instill a winning attitude here. Yes, he brought Griffin here, and Robert is clearly a winner, but this loss has to sting him pretty good. Cam Newton is already shot in Carolina because of the losing, and his play has been progressively getting worse. Losses like this can have longer term negative effects, and this is another bad loss in yet another season slipping away.

The defense is far worse now than it was when Shanahan took over, and can't be relied on at all to make winning plays in crunch time. The offense is working because Griffin has put it on his shoulders, and dominated with his ability and misdirection. Too much is on him to carry this team, and as a result, pressure intensifies. Too much pressure leads to mistakes and takes away the fun of playing.

This team cannot win unless a rookie quarterback makes huge plays consistantly. Inexcuseable. This is what happens with those continued expectations. Look no further than Cam Newton and the Panthers. A stud with a promising future getting flushed down the toilet under the weight of enormous pressure. Shanahan has had 3 years now to build a solid foundation and instill a winning attitude. 3 years to build a quality team that believes in itself and spreads the responsibility of winning evenly.

The foundation consists exactly of Robert Griffin the 3rd. And now he is being indoctrinated into the league with a losing mentality and unnecessary pressure to outperform. Worse, his mistakes are also amplified. The team is supposed to be carrying the rookie, not the other way around. Losing is contagious, and this team reeks of it. The Shanny mystique is completely gone, and confidence in him has to also. Losing is the expected outcome, and that is unacceptable.

This team will not be consistant winners with him in charge in my honest opinion. The die has been cast, the Rubicon has been crossed, the fire is gone. Losing is the Redskin-Shanahan way, and now a bright prospect's future will likely be adversely affected. 4 bad losses already this year, each worse than the one before, and would be more if not for Griffin's stellar play. The Head Coach has no answers, only acceptance.

Follow Newton and the Panthers for a look into the near future. Losing is poison, and destroys everything it touches. Some very difficult decisions will need to be made, sooner than later, and it starts at the top. It starts with Mike Shanahan.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by jdc65

Very discouraging way to lose a big game. I have absolutely no confidence in a Redskin defense to make a big stop in a key situation, and today's loss just amplifies that hopelessness. This would have been Shanahan's biggest victory in D.C. in my opinion, but now I believe it is his worst loss here.

The reality is this team has a losing mentality, they've had it since Gibbs-ll left, and Shanahan has done zero to instill a winning attitude here. Yes, he brought Griffin here, and Robert is clearly a winner, but this loss has to sting him pretty good. Cam Newton is already shot in Carolina because of the losing, and his play has been progressively getting worse. Losses like this can have longer term negative effects, and this is another bad loss in yet another season slipping away.

The defense is far worse now than it was when Shanahan took over, and can't be relied on at all to make winning plays in crunch time. The offense is working because Griffin has put it on his shoulders, and dominated with his ability and misdirection. Too much is on him to carry this team, and as a result, pressure intensifies. Too much pressure leads to mistakes and takes away the fun of playing.

This team cannot win unless a rookie quarterback makes huge plays consistantly. Inexcuseable. This is what happens with those continued expectations. Look no further than Cam Newton and the Panthers. A stud with a promising future getting flushed down the toilet under the weight of enormous pressure. Shanahan has had 3 years now to build a solid foundation and instill a winning attitude. 3 years to build a quality team that believes in itself and spreads the responsibility of winning evenly.

The foundation consists exactly of Robert Griffin the 3rd. And now he is being indoctrinated into the league with a losing mentality and unnecessary pressure to outperform. Worse, his mistakes are also amplified. The team is supposed to be carrying the rookie, not the other way around. Losing is contagious, and this team reeks of it. The Shanny mystique is completely gone, and confidence in him has to also. Losing is the expected outcome, and that is unacceptable.

This team will not be consistant winners with him in charge in my honest opinion. The die has been cast, the Rubicon has been crossed, the fire is gone. Losing is the Redskin-Shanahan way, and now a bright prospect's future will likely be adversely affected. 4 bad losses already this year, each worse than the one before, and would be more if not for Griffin's stellar play. The Head Coach has no answers, only acceptance.

Follow Newton and the Panthers for a look into the near future. Losing is poison, and destroys everything it touches. Some very difficult decisions will need to be made, sooner than later, and it starts at the top. It starts with Mike Shanahan.

Wow ...
RGIII is NOT Cam ... Cam isn't a born leader ... RGIII is .... Awful post

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Wow ...
RGIII is NOT Cam ... Cam isn't a born leader ... RGIII is .... Awful post

Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by jdc65

Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.

It must be so hard for him not to say "I can't play defense too"

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jdc65

Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.

I think Robert would be Genuinely....insulted (and possibly amused) by your suggestion.