Campbell's numbers dont lie

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Does any of this stuff really matter? Jay Cutler is the best QB out of the 3 and I don't need stats to tell me that. I mean who are Cutler's wr's? His wr's are worse than ours. Sanchez is a freakin rookie so I expect JC to play better. JC forced some balls yesterday. BIG DEAL. I'm kinda glad that he's taking more chances. Hopefully on plays like the Kelly INT our WR's will FIGHT FOR THE BALL. Is it me or does Kelly suck at the lob passes.

I totally respect this post!! Yes Kelly does. He is at best a possession receiver. But he is not a second recevier. Sorry guys but neither is Thomas. Who does that leave us with? ARE and Mitchell? But ARE is better in the slot from what I've heard. So why not use Mitchell as the no. 2 receiver? Why because he wasn't drafted in the second round like the other two busts. They have showed nothing. No more than they did last year. Very sad. The analysis before the season started was that one of them needs to step up for us to be successful. Eh em!! But neither has. Draw your own conclusions on that statement. NO one is bringing that point up as frequently as they are hating on JC. I wouldn't trust those two either. Put Thomas ass on punts sometimes and move Mitchell up to the 2nd spot. Or is that too far fetched? All he did was catch touchdowns this preseason. He would have definitely made a better play on that ball than Kelly. While we are on the subject of changing depth charts. Let Mason run the ball as CP's back up. People say CP is done. But Betts at 30 is really done (is he even averaging 1 yard per carry?). He offers nothing unique to the team. AT ALL!!!!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Does any of this stuff really matter? Jay Cutler is the best QB out of the 3 and I don't need stats to tell me that. I mean who are Cutler's wr's? His wr's are worse than ours. Sanchez is a freakin rookie so I expect JC to play better. JC forced some balls yesterday. BIG DEAL. I'm kinda glad that he's taking more chances. Hopefully on plays like the Kelly INT our WR's will FIGHT FOR THE BALL. Is it me or does Kelly suck at the lob passes.

I agree. That pass to Kelly is a basic, meat and potatoes play that even average Offenses utilize. I think 1 out of 10 times that ball gets picked and 9 out of 10 it's caught or it's an incompletion. I hope they keep going to it and even start to throw those balls behind the receiver on timing plays. Because we didn't play Kelly last year, he's essentially going through his rookie season. Keep throwing to him, and he'll get better.

If not, Campbell can pull a Brunell and throw to Moss to the tune of 1500 yards and sprinkle in some Cooley. Regardless, there's no excuse for being one of the 3 worst Offenses in the league. Other teams have shitty receivers and still manage to put points on the board. Our Offense is just bad across the board.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Regardless, there's no excuse for being one of the 3 worst Offenses in the league.

Agreed 100%!! Which is why I'm glad there is no objective quantifiable measurement available which ranks us "one of the 3 worst Offenses in the league".

[scowan]

Granted I am watching the broadcast at home and not at the game, so some of you actually at the game yesterday please correct me if I am wrong, but I watch JC go back to pass (again I can't see what is going on down the field on TV) and I see reasonable protection and JC holding the ball along time. To my earlier statement, is that JC's fault? or again are guys not getting open and separating themselves from the defenders?
I saw a lot of promise from Marko Mitchell in Preseason. Is that because he was going against inferior CBs or because he can separate from defenders? We know Cooley can find open space and Moss can just flat burn you, but Kelly and Thomas can not create their own separation for some reason. Am I wrong on that? Please someone respond who was at the game and could watch the secondary all day.

[MTK]

Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

NFL Stats: by Player Category

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

NFL Stats: by Player Category

These numbers aren't lying, JC is playing great...but I'll throw Kolb and Sanchez into the "fraud" or at least overachieving category.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

I do not fall into the camp of people that want to oust Campbell. I think he is talented, and more than capable of leading us to the playoffs (but for our old, damaged line). That said, the QB rating metric is off, I believe due to the fact that 2/3 of the TDs he has tossed came in "garbage-ish" time. I know the defenses didn't "want to give up those TDs" but the games were pretty much in hand at that point (yes, I know we could have come back and beaten detroit, but we didn't). Campbell has always been accurate, its his fumbles (which he recovers) and his poor INTs that are killer. That said, I think Jason has a bright future, if we let him grow.

[MTK]

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

in support of mattyk, football outsiders was very high on campbell coming into the season. He's accurate and his receivers led the league in dropped balls (i think).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

Its hard to make an arugment for any QB that had the melt down from last year and whats happened so far this year. JC has had his problems and tie that in and JC will not really get any break until we start winning. He may get a break if the O starts putting up some points but I have a hard time getting past what I have seen so far this year and last. No its not all his fault but as the QB alot of blame falls on him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

Exact same argument against Campbell can be applied to Tom Brady prior to 2007, as well as this year. You could basically point out that the guy has just been a one year wonder.

I mean, these people absolutely could do that, with the conviction they've showed.

[CRedskinsRule]

Can I get a show of hands, How many people on this board believe that on any of our stretch left goalline plays in the last 2 games, a fake hand off/JC rollout would have scored at least 1 TD. I do.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can I get a show of hands, How many people on this board believe that on any of our stretch left goalline plays in the last 2 games, a fake hand off/JC rollout would have scored at least 1 TD. I do.

JC would score every time on that play...also a playaction pass to Cooley could have scored.

I have no idea what Zorn was thinking. The first time, OK, bad decision...but he TRIED IT AGAIN!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

JC would score every time on that play...also a playaction pass to Cooley could have scored.

I have no idea what Zorn was thinking. The first time, OK, bad decision...but he TRIED IT AGAIN!

As I've repeatedly stated, had Zorn called a naked bootleg on that goal line 4th and 1, JC would have walked untouched. The only defender that could have gotten to him was pretty much out of position to do anything.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

As I've repeatedly stated, had Zorn called a naked bootleg on that goal line 4th and 1, JC would have walked untouched. The only defender that could have gotten to him was pretty much out of position to do anything.

I've said the same thing numerous times. (sigh) So sad a couple of internet schmoes can figure that out yet that escapes our offensive genius of a HC.