NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Me and a few of my Bear fan friends were discussing this last night.

Does this trade even make sense for the Bears?

On one hand, you are getting GREAT value in a move up from 31 to 6 for merely a linebacker. But lets assume that the top 5 picks are as follows: Russell, Thomas, Quinn, Johnson, and Adams.

Who are the Bears going to take at 6. There's Landry, but they have a glut of safeties already. Peterson is there, but they already have Benson. It's too early to take the 2nd best lineman or receiver. They have no need for DL help.

That leaves them either reaching for Patrick Willis to replace Briggs, or trading down yet again (or trading up into the top 4 I guess). If they were going to snatch up Willis, why not just keep the established vet (Briggs) around for at least one more year?

Unless Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson do fall, the Bears really don't have a good pick at 6. It may not be worth it for them to make this deal, despite all the value they are getting for Briggs.

So you're saying this deal makes sense for neither of the parties involved? Wonderful.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

So you're saying this deal makes sense for neither of the parties involved? Wonderful.

Yeah pretty much.

You've heard of deals that help both teams involved? Well now you've seen a deal that sucks for both sides!

There's no guarentee the Bears will accept. They may save us from our momentary lapse of reason.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Me and a few of my Bear fan friends were discussing this last night.

Does this trade even make sense for the Bears?

My guess is they'd take Okoye, particularly in light of Tank Johnson's problems.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

My guess is they'd take Okoye, particularly in light of Tank Johnson's problems.

Okoye fits their system and defensive philosophy, but allocating the no. 6 pick to DT means that they lose their WLB and their first round pick, and don't address what, in my opinion, I would consider a top need.

I mean, philosophically, a defense with Okoye and Harris at the DTs would be so strong that it would blow my mind. But it would also be every bit as poor an allocation of their resources as taking Laron Landry would be for us (except DTs are more important than S obviously).

The Bears are not a team without need. If they were to let Briggs walk, they'd have to make a move for a replacement. They don't have a good 4th LB on their roster. The 3rd guy, Hillenmeyer, is passable.

This trade would leave them with Urlacher and no one at LB.

[RFKRat]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;291844Unless Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson do fall, the Bears really don't have a good pick at 6. It may not be worth it for them to make this deal, despite all the value they are getting for Briggs.[/QUOTE]

That's crazy talk. A #6 pick is never a bad thing especially in a very good draft and especially for a guy who many times has publicly said he won't play for Chicago again, unless it's the "I'll sit for 10 games and play 6" ploy. And the Bears won't be coughing up the monster salary he wants. If anything, the Bears have plenty of options with that pick.

Briggs has wanted the spotlight on himself for a long time. He's on a defense surrounded by Pro-Bowlers...if he goes to the Redskins he'll get the chance to see he's everything he thinks he is, or a by-product of that defense up there. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good linebacker...but playing next to guys like Tommie Harris, Urlacher, etc doesn't hurt. If he wants out, fine....and if the Bears can get a #6 pick then that's a steal for them, even giving up the #31 also.

[Monkeydad]

Don't do it! We FINALLY have a high draft pick again (we had to trade for Campbell) and we should hang onto it or at least trade down less than 5 spots to get another good pick.

Briggs doesn't sound like much of a team player...we don't need another Lavar personality who thinks he's bigger than the team.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Buster

Don't do it! We FINALLY have a high draft pick again (we had to trade for Campbell) and we should hang onto it or at least trade down less than 5 spots to get another good pick.

Briggs doesn't sound like much of a team player...we don't need another Lavar personality who thinks he's bigger than the team.

Too late, apparently its already been done.

[ND_SKINS]

Hi,

I think we need to keep the pick and take LaRon Landry. With him and Sean Taylor are LB's are going to play better. With these two players you could put seven in the box and stop the run.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by ND_SKINS

Hi,

I think we need to keep the pick and take LaRon Landry. With him and Sean Taylor are LB's are going to play better. With these two players you could put seven in the box and stop the run.

:confused:

This is the first time I've ever heard of safeties making linebackers better. Can you explain how that works?

And seven in the box? We always use seven in the box. Hell, we can barely stop the run with 8 in the box, let alone 7.

[5RINGS]

I don't know if you guys have ever used the Draft Value chart, but it is this chart that assigns points to each draft pick so GM's don't make another Mike Ditka mistake or Hershel Walker trade.

According to the Chart, this deal means you are giving away your 6th and the equivalent of a 16th pick for Briggs and the 31st pick.

A first rounder at 16 is usually a starter and pretty cheap relatively speaking in terms of the salary cap.

I don't think this deal makes sense for the Redskins.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

I don't know if you guys have ever used the Draft Value chart, but it is this chart that assigns points to each draft pick so GM's don't make another Mike Ditka mistake or Hershel Walker trade.

According to the Chart, this deal means you are giving away your 6th and the equivalent of a 16th pick for Briggs and the 31st pick.

A first rounder at 16 is usually a starter and pretty cheap relatively speaking in terms of the salary cap.

I don't think this deal makes sense for the Redskins.

Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough.

Your 6th pick is worth - according to the chart - a 16th and a 31st.

So Briggs, in effect, is assigned the value of a first round #16 pick.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.

I think what he means is that we are getting two first round picks for this trade. Heres the math

The Redskins pick is worth 1600 points
The Bears pick is worth 600 points
The 16th pick is worth 1000 points. This means that we're assuming that Briggs is worth the right to pick 16th overall in the draft.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.

Well if we find a strong D linemen at 31 and get Briggs we will all say wow who wrong we were. I hope so! Note: Danny and Gibbs get another pick in the deal!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Note: Danny and Gibbs get another pick in the deal!

Wait, did you just hear that or is that what your hoping for?