The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[sportscurmudgeon]

I don't think the Raiders have the better team but they may have a better record because of the schedule.

The Raiders play 6 games in the AFC West - - and that is the weakest division in the AFC. And the NFC division they play is the NFC West meaning they play the Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks and Niners. There could be a few "gimmes" in that mix.

Meanwhile the Redskins have six games against the NFC East (better than the AFC West) and their AFC division opponents include Indy, Houston, Tennessee and Jax.

Skins' schedule is a lot tougher.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

So do people still believe that the Raiders will have a better team than the Redskins this year with JC as thier QB?

Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.

Who would dare think that. JC = Backup

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Who would dare think that. JC = Backup

It's a large fan base. We're bound to have some crazies.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick.

Yeah, McNabb comes in and showed that he's skilled at a couple things NOT recorded by "stats". I think that because he was an Eagle, Skins fans didn't want to pay attention to the good areas of his game, and I think it's completely understandable. He's been the face of a division rival for over a decade, of course one's going to emphasize his flaws.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.

I was listening to the radio up in DC back in May ( it was the ESPN radio staion on FM ), and the talk show hosts asked a poll question as to whether the JC lead Raiders would have a better record then the Mcnabb lead Skins, and I would say at least 70-75% of the callers said the Raiders. All Skins fans, I was pretty shocked at how stupid people sounded and even astounded that some many callers really believed it. They absolutley were convincted of thier opinion.

I thoght it was RIDICULOUS. I have no reason to critise JC anymore, because now he is Oaklands problem! I will say this though.... .

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I was listening to the radio up in DC back in May ( it was the ESPN radio staion on FM ), and the talk show hosts asked a poll question as to whether the JC lead Raiders would have a better record then the Mcnabb lead Skins, and I would say at least 70-75% of the callers said the Raiders. All Skins fans, I was pretty shocked at how stupid people sounded and even astounded that some many callers really believed it. They absolutley were convincted of thier opinion.

I'd put my money on the Redskins because the Raiders generally don't have a clue, but:

We're 1-1.
They're 1-1.
They have the easier remaining schedule, by far.

[Shadowbyte]

By me living in the Bay it's safe to say that I'm surrounded by Raider fans. I've told them before the season even started that Gradkowski would end up being their starting QB. Damn it's great to tell them all "I told you so". For some reason the Raiders turn into a completely different team when he's in at QB. All of the sudden the receivers are open, and they actually catch the ball once it's thrown to them. It's mortifying.

[MonkFan4Life]

I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours. So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie !

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours. So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie !

Truer words had never been spoken.

I said it last year. Jason Campbell was the only quarterback in the NFL that didnt have to work for his job. Jason was the anointed starter here since 2006, and no matter how poorly he played, he never had to worry about replacement. Fans got the taste that he was contributing to the team's woes when Collins played lights out in 07. No way a 5-6 skins team led by Campbell would've made the playoffs. Jason would have finished 6-10 or maybe even 5-11!

Now he figures he can do the same shit in Oakland, just walk in and be the starter, not having to earn anything, or work for anything. Gradkowski deserves this job. Not only is he the better player, but he earned the job. Jason never did anything but show up and expect everything.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Truer words had never been spoken.

I said it last year. Jason Campbell was the only quarterback in the NFL that didnt have to work for his job. Jason was the anointed starter here since 2006, and no matter how poorly he played, he never had to worry about replacement. Fans got the taste that he was contributing to the team's woes when Collins played lights out in 07. No way a 5-6 skins team led by Campbell would've made the playoffs. Jason would have finished 6-10 or maybe even 5-11!

Now he figures he can do the same shit in Oakland, just walk in and be the starter, not having to earn anything, or work for anything. Gradkowski deserves this job. Not only is he the better player, but he earned the job. Jason never did anything but show up and expect everything.

Really? So I guess Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. were all fighting for jobs last year?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Really? So I guess Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. were all fighting for jobs last year?

I dont think i made a clear enough point. The QB's you named above all had earned their jobs through their play, and were clearly the best option for their respective teams. Jason never did that, he never had to do that. Nobody made him prove anything. They just gave him the starting job...

When I said Jason didnt have to earn his job, i meant that even in 2006 when he was unproven, he just was thrust into the lineup, and its like somebody told him "Jason, no matter what, no matter how poor you play, you will never have to worry about being benched".

Brunell: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)
Collins: outplayed Campbell (playoffs)

It took a new GM, and a new coach to realize that Cambell wasnt the teams best option. And as soon as a new QB was brought in, Jason sulked, wouldnt talk to the media, wouldn't workout, etc...

Now hes doing the same thing in Oakland....

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I'm not suprised seeing as though he didn't want to stick around at workouts after we traded for Donovan. If it's true that he said that Gradkowski asked for playing time then hell, you came in and thought you were going to just waltz in and take his job. Of course he's gonna fight for it. Jason underperformed but he doesn't have the emotional attatchment to that fan base as he did with ours. So there aren't going to be that many folks in the media or in the public that will defend him. Bruce had the team going in an alright direction last year, Hue saw what Jason had to offer. As I've said many times before, the tape doesn't lie !

That's a really good point. I'm one of those that was attached to him because Gibbs drafted him, he was the qb of the future & he is a likable media figure, though not dynamic in the least. I'd also watched him beat my Hokies in the sugar bowl in 04-5 & thought he was pretty composed as a leader.

Now as you said, he's got to start over, but the catch is that they expected him to be a starter from day 1 & play like their qb of the future. Well, either the future has been delayed or Gradkowski is their future.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

That's a really good point. I'm one of those that was attached to him because Gibbs drafted him, he was the qb of the future & he is a likable media figure, though not dynamic in the least. I'd also watched him beat my Hokies in the sugar bowl in 04-5 & thought he was pretty composed as a leader.

Now as you said, he's got to start over, but the catch is that they expected him to be a starter from day 1 & play like their qb of the future. Well, either the future has been delayed or Gradkowski is their future.

Yeah, what's clear about Oakland now is that they didn't really go into the season with a strong philosophy on how they would throw the football, they went in just kind of figuring that subtracting Russell and adding Campbell and Hue Jackson would just fix whatever was wrong. And rather than start building that philosophy now a little late, they're just going to plug Gradkowski in for Campbell and hope that fixes things.

A spoiler: it won't.

They should still be good for 6 or 7 wins no matter who is at quarterback, and if anything, their offense is going to be better than I predicted because their philosophy of just adding talent and hoping for the best actually worked in the case of Darren McFadden. But even with a two-headed monster RB duo and a running game, they still won't break .500 because they can't protect the passer.

[SirClintonPortis]

I think I read over there at the Raider forums that the crowd was chanting "Bruuuuuce" at the end of the first half.

Man, that's worse than when our fans booed the team in our win against the Lambs last year.