ESPN Mock Draft concerning the Redskins

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[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF

yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.

Regarding Carter, you're looking at his numbers when he was used as a LB in San Fran. As a full time DE, I don't think there is anyone who doubts that he is a huge upgrade in our pass rush.

Regarding the rest of the mock, I usually just tune out after round 2. There is no way anybody can make a mock with any level of accuracy after two rounds. And I don't see any reason for us to go DE in round 2 unless every decent CB, LB, and OG are already gone.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF

yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.

First of all, after having read my earlier post, I feel the need to apologize, you couldn't really get that I was making a joke, so that's my fault. Yeah, I see where you're coming from, however I think that OLB is a more glaring problem than DE right now. I agree that Daniels isn't that good, but I think he's capable.

Also, Carter was playing OLB last year. When he was playing defensive end he had a 12 sack season. That's not a bad year. I wouldn't mind 12 sacks.

And finally, the last point I'm going to make on this subject. I think that we have already spent on a relatively unproven DE, so I'd rather see how that pans out than draft another and hope that they both live up to their potential. I think the Skins should concern themselves with picking a starter.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Big C

plackmeir would be a great 7th round pick. we need a kickoff guy and a punter. 53rd pick, with the tapp pick, we may be getting best position available. also, wynn and daniels are both old, this is what good teams do. they draft to replace a need that will be there in a year or 2.

I hate to say it, but without another CBA extention, those needs will be everywhere.

Hopefully, we have two more Lombardi trophies by then. 5RINGS won't like that tho.

[That Guy]

at 53 there should be a lott better players than tapp around. I doubt seriously plack will be there at pick 250, but if he is, it'd be a great pickup.

[dmek25]

welcome scc.while i agree about the pass rush last year,greg williams likes to generate his pass rush from all angles.i think the skins go linebacker here,and hopefully in the kid from miami.thatguy,you have an opinion on him as a player?(scc,dont take anything personal here,youre among friends)

[GoSkins!]

While I agree that DE depth is a good thing to have, I think that Daniels did a better job last year than his sack total alone implies. He stuffed the run, batted down a lot of passes, and still generated 8 sacks. You cannot just discount his 4 sacks against dallas. Most of the time a big sack guy gets lucky with his matchups a couple of times in the year to help his numbers. Daniels really played perfectly in Greg Williams system.

Oh yeah, and we added Carter (now returning to his DE position...)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dmek25

welcome scc.while i agree about the pass rush last year,greg williams likes to generate his pass rush from all angles.i think the skins go linebacker here,and hopefully in the kid from miami.thatguy,you have an opinion on him as a player?(scc,dont take anything personal here,youre among friends)

McIntosh? he's pretty good, but inconsitant. Not amazing in coverage either. I'd prefer alston at OLB, even though he's rated a bit lower. If a guy like demeco ryans falls though, he'd clearly be the best pick.


on tapp:
he may end up playing DT instead of DE cause then his speed and height wouldn't be huge negatives there... he'd have to spend a year bulking up though. At DE in the senior bowl (where he played every D snap due to MK being hurt) he did NOTHING. he lost ground chasing QBs and couldn't get past anyone. He has a good first step and a good motor, but i'm not sure that's enough by itself to generate huge sack numbers.

[saden1]

Seems like a lot of people don't actually know much about Tapp. He abused D'Brickashaw Ferguson through and through. Tapp is fast as hell and he is going to be a super star in the league.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

Seems like a lot of people don't actually know much about Tapp. He abused D'Brickashaw Ferguson through and through. Tapp is fast as hell and he is going to be a super star in the league.

then why isn't he a first rounder? when he played D'bF at the all star game he did ZERO to him. absolutely nothing. hardly what i'd call abuse.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

then why isn't he a first rounder? when he played D'bF at the all star game he did ZERO to him. absolutely nothing. hardly what i'd call abuse.

Why isn't he a first rounder? Why don't all first rounders become pro bowlers? Why are most of them considred a bust?

Yeah, I watched that game, how many minutes did Tapp get? Oh, and did you watch practices they had to prepare for the game? He abused him then, they even announced it during the game! I'm willing to bet that Tapp won't be available at 53.

[Beemnseven]

I don't think it would be a bad idea to stock up on D-linemen if it's in the later rounds of the draft.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

Why isn't he a first rounder? Why don't all first rounders become pro bowlers? Why are most of them considred a bust?

Yeah, I watched that game, how many minutes did Tapp get? Oh, and did you watch practices they had to prepare for the game? He abused him then, they even announced it during the game! I'm willing to bet that Tapp won't be available at 53.

saying that most 1st rounders are considered busts is complete hyperbole, and if you compared the number of HoF and PB players from the 1st round, vs any other rounds you'd see that the guys doing the drafts and analysis are right far more often than they're wrong.

first, "fast as hell" from your last post - he's one of the slowest DEs in day one, a rocking 4.8 @ 250 pounds... mario williams has 50lbs and 1/10 on him. LBs bigger than him (260lbs) have 2/10ths on him.

I watched the ssenior bowl and practices, he didn't abuse anyone and whitehurst was able to gain ground on him while he tried to chase whitey down from behind. he had ALL game cause MK was injured and did nothing, even though he got twice the time. I don't remember a single announcement about him abusing Db'F, though Db did have a single slip up in the game, tapp wasn't the guy at the other end.

he ended the game with 2 assisted tackles and no other stats with double minutes. that's hardly impressive.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by That Guy

saying that most 1st rounders are considered busts is complete hyperbole, and if you compared the number of HoF and PB players from the 1st round, vs any other rounds you'd see that the guys doing the drafts and analysis are right far more often than they're wrong.

first, "fast as hell" from your last post - he's one of the slowest DEs in day one, a rocking 4.8 @ 250 pounds... mario williams has 50lbs and 1/10 on him. LBs bigger than him (260lbs) have 2/10ths on him.

I watched the ssenior bowl and practices, he didn't abuse anyone and whitehurst was able to gain ground on him while he tried to chase whitey down from behind. he had ALL game cause MK was injured and did nothing, even though he got twice the time. I don't remember a single announcement about him abusing Db'F, though Db did have a single slip up in the game, tapp wasn't the guy at the other end.

he ended the game with 2 assisted tackles and no other stats with double minutes. that's hardly impressive.

Tapp abused D'Brickashaw in the Uva/Tech game this year, but it was a 52-17 blowout by VT, so Tapp got to tee off since uva was in passing situations for much of the game. He definitely beat him off the ball, bull rushed and speed rushed him numerous times.
Tapp isn't "fast as hell" but we must distinguish between straight away speed & quickness. Tapp is awfully quick, gets off the ball really well & has good moves. He's not quite of the talent level that gets taken in the first round, but he's a good "character" guy & we'd be lucky to get him at #53. I don't see him lasting that long. If he's around & he's higher on our board than any LBs or CBs I say take him. Not just because I'm a Hokie, Daniels & Wynn are old, and Evans is solid but doesn't have the explosiveness.
Tapp's downside is his size, no pun intended. He may be weak against the run in the nfl.

[saden1]

I couldn't find a link to any stats so I did my own. The file can be found here. Make of it what you want but I found that 1'st round picks are all that great.

Notes:
1. The spreadsheet has multiple tabs and was done with excel.
2. A Pro-bowl player is only counted once even if they make the pro-bowl multiple times. My take is that an early round draftee either makes it to the pro-bowl or he doesn't.