Barbaro breaks leg at Preakness

[ArtMonkDrillz]

When is it ok to make horrible, inappropriate jokes about a racing accident? Just wondering because I already know that I'm going to hell and I've got a couple of decent ones. (In all seriousness, I did feel bad for the horse and the owner, but I am a terrible person)

[BDBohnzie]

Considering the horse is out of surgery, you're ok until it dies...

Did you go AMD?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Considering the horse is out of surgery, you're ok until it dies...

Did you go AMD?

No, but we were pretty drunk when we watched it, so some of the comments got really offensive (such as looking over at the dog and saying, "well, looks you're gonna get to eat a Kentucky Derby winner for dinner in a few weeks").

Do you think if Bernardini could talk he would look directly into the camera during a post race interview and say "if he dies, he dies."?

[12thMan]

I think this horses' surgery will cause some contrevorsy in the future.

Some will say, why is that humans aren't afforded this type of attention and fanfare mind you. (I'm not arguing either point, by the way)

And some will say, well if this horse is 'priceless', why shouldn't they do everything to keep my cat, dog, horse, etc alive.

[dmek25]

schneed is there any other horse in america right now that would have gone thru 6 hours of surgery to try and fix a SHATTERED leg that gives that horse a minimum chance to survive?eeich is right on the money.this is just plain greed on the owners side for not wanting to miss out on the stud fees.take your insurance money and quit putting greed first

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

schneed is there any other horse in america right now that would have gone thru 6 hours of surgery to try and fix a SHATTERED leg that gives that horse a minimum chance to survive?eeich is right on the money.this is just plain greed on the owners side for not wanting to miss out on the stud fees.take your insurance money and quit putting greed first

I beg to differ, I don't think it's greed....it's business....plain and simple. I don't question their general affection and love for animals. But if the opportunity comes to fetch and extra, oh....$25-30 million I doubt anyone would turn it down.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

schneed is there any other horse in america right now that would have gone thru 6 hours of surgery to try and fix a SHATTERED leg that gives that horse a minimum chance to survive?eeich is right on the money.this is just plain greed on the owners side for not wanting to miss out on the stud fees.take your insurance money and quit putting greed first

So then because the owner's greed is a motivator, then the horse should be put down even if the surgery gives him a 50/50 shot at survival? I mean it's not like it's a really bleak situation, he's a coin toss to survive.

Most horses in America wouldn't get a chance to have surgery and keep on living, because most owners wouldn't pay for it. But whatever the motivator behind it, shouldn't we be happy that the horse is getting a second chance at life that most horses don't get?

This is one of the rare times when financial interests and the interests of being humane are aligning. Most horses in America don't get this second chance that Barbaro is getting, because of money, and that's the real shame here. Barbaro is the one horse that's getting what all humans deserve: a good chance to regain health.

Yes he'll be in considerable pain until it heals, but if you give me a choice between temporary pain and death, I choose temporary pain. What would you choose?

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So then because the owner's greed is a motivator, then the horse should be put down even if the surgery gives him a 50/50 shot at survival? I mean it's not like it's a really bleak situation, he's a coin toss to survive.

Most horses in America wouldn't get a chance to have surgery and keep on living, because most owners wouldn't pay for it. But whatever the motivator behind it, shouldn't we be happy that the horse is getting a second chance at life that most horses don't get?

This is one of the rare times when financial interests and the interests of being humane are aligning. Most horses in America don't get this second chance that Barbaro is getting, because of money, and that's the real shame here. Barbaro is the one horse that's getting what all humans deserve: a good chance to regain health.



Yes he'll be in considerable pain until it heals, but if you give me a choice between temporary pain and death, I choose temporary pain. What would you choose?

Nice post. I second that. Well said.

[dmek25]

and no,i wasnt born in russia,but one thing i was taught by my parents was always try to do the right thing.needless suffering for monetary gain definitly isnt the right thing,especially if you care about the animal at all

[dmek25]

and if you knew anything about horses,95% of broken legs cant be fixed because is almost impossible to keep them off their feet

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and if you knew anything about horses,95% of broken legs cant be fixed because is almost impossible to keep them off their feet

No, there are ways to keep a horse off it's feet. It's just that most people choose not to, because it's too costly.

If 95% can't be fixed, why is Barbaro sitting at 50/50 right now after having not just a break, but an absolutely shattered leg?

EDIT: And you don't have to keep the horse off it's feet necessarily. There are ways to steady and support the joint without needing crutches or swings or horsey wheelchairs - like the insane amount of hardware implanted into Barbaro's leg. Again, it's the cost of that surgery that makes it so tough to treat broken legs. That surgery is never even an option for most owners.

[EEich]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No, there are ways to keep a horse off it's feet. It's just that most people choose not to, because it's too costly.

If 95% can't be fixed, why is Barbaro sitting at 50/50 right now after having not just a break, but an absolutely shattered leg?

I'd like you to explain the procedure that they use to keep a horse off it's feet and pain-free.
The leg was broken in three places... the doctors put rods and 23 screws in the horses leg... something they wouldn't normally do for a horse, unless it was guaranteed to return millions of dollars in stud fees. It was a hugely complicated surgery and they're still not sure that the horse will be able to bear the pain.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by EEich

I'd like you to explain the procedure that they use to keep a horse off it's feet and pain-free.
The leg was broken in three places... the doctors put rods and 23 screws in the horses leg... something they wouldn't normally do for a horse, unless it was guaranteed to return millions of dollars in stud fees. It was a hugely complicated surgery and they're still not sure that the horse will be able to bear the pain.

Dude, he walked back to his stall after the surgery, and now he's flirting with his bitches:

"Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro is making progress from surgery on his broken leg, even showing an interest in mares"

So you'd rather not even give him a chance to bear the pain and survive? Your value of life is startling.

I fully agree that the owners are only in it for the money, but you seem like you'd rather see them lose out on the money than see Barbaro survive. That seems twisted to me.

There's no guarantee the horse will be able to bear the pain. But there's also no guarantee that he won't be able to bear it. So you give him a shot.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude, he walked back to his stall after the surgery, and now he's flirting with his bitches:

"Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro is making progress from surgery on his broken leg, even showing an interest in mares"

I think the real problem is, if that leg isn't strong enough to allow him to mount, what's the point? Giggidy-giggidy-gew!

[EEich]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

EDIT: And you don't have to keep the horse off it's feet necessarily. There are ways to steady and support the joint without needing crutches or swings or horsey wheelchairs - like the insane amount of hardware implanted into Barbaro's leg. Again, it's the cost of that surgery that makes it so tough to treat broken legs. That surgery is never even an option for most owners.

Horsey wheelchairs... you've really though this one through. You should stop now. The insane amout of hardware has already been done... see the photo above. They're still not giving the horse more than 50% chance.