Jon Jansen's Comments on HGH

[FRPLG]

HGH is not a steroid as has been aluded to. It occurs naturally in the body and goes up and down constantly. That is why there is no real conclusive test for it. Not to say it is better or worse but it is simply a performance enhancer.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

HGH is not a steroid as has been aluded to. It occurs naturally in the body and goes up and down constantly. That is why there is no real conclusive test for it. Not to say it is better or worse but it is simply a performance enhancer.

True, it's not a synthetic drug like a steroid, but when you mess with the levels of any hormone in the body for reasons other than regulating it to a normal level for health reasons, the body will not handle it well and it will cause more harm than benefit.

What would happen if you decided to double the amount of, let's say stomach acid...uh oh. Look what happens when women increase their levels of testostersone...it not only makes them less of a woman, but it opens the door to medical conditions they would not have had otherwise.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Buster

True, it's not a synthetic drug like a steroid, but when you mess with the levels of any hormone in the body for reasons other than regulating it to a normal level for health reasons, the body will not handle it well and it will cause more harm than benefit.

What would happen if you decided to double the amount of, let's say stomach acid...uh oh. Look what happens when women increase their levels of testostersone...it not only makes them less of a woman, but it opens the door to medical conditions they would not have had otherwise.

I think you missed my point. It was simply that HGH is not a steroid. I did not mean to diminish the impact of its use. Just trying to educate a little.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think you missed my point. It was simply that HGH is not a steroid. I did not mean to diminish the impact of its use. Just trying to educate a little.

No, I got your point, I just added to it.

[Monkeydad]

You're right about the emotional approach to the discussion. I'm guilty of it too in baseball. I hate seeing a jerk like Barry Bonds put his name about the all-time greats in the record books by blantantly cheating and disrespecting the game. There IS some truth to the "cheater" allegations though.

I'm with you though, the affects of this behavior goes much further than just cheating. The physical problems it causes and the affects it has on the families of the drug users is real and it's horrible. I did a research paper on steroids way back in high school when it was looked at as an uncommon occurence. Also, when the standard is set that to suceed in pro sports, you have to use drugs in training, it will trickle down to college and high school kids who have aspirations to someday go pro.

[Monkeydad]

I also think the focus on baseball is due to the magnitude of the records falling to "cheaters".

If Payton's rushing record was about to fall and Emmitt Smith had been a known steroid user (or HGH), not to mention a jerk like Bonds, there may have been the same hightened emotions and media frenzy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

I also think the focus on baseball is due to the magnitude of the records falling to "cheaters".

If Payton's rushing record was about to fall and Emmitt Smith had been a known steroid user (or HGH), not to mention a jerk like Bonds, there may have been the same hightened emotions and media frenzy.

I think a lot has to do with the fact that numbers mean a lot more in baseball. I mean you know that Hank Aaron has the record with 755 homeruns. You know Emmitt holds the rushing record, but how many people can tell you right off the top of their head how many yards he rushed for exactly? Cal Ripken played in 2632 consecutive games, I'm not even sure who holds the record in the NFL. Favre maybe?

By the way, for those that would like to jump to the following conclusion this does not mean Clinton Portis is juicing

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think a lot has to do with the fact that numbers mean a lot more in baseball. I mean you know that Hank Aaron has the record with 755 homeruns. You know Emmitt holds the rushing record, but how many people can tell you right off the top of their head how many yards he rushed for exactly? Cal Ripken played in 2632 consecutive games, I'm not even sure who holds the record in the NFL. Favre maybe?

By the way, for those that would like to jump to the following conclusion this does not mean Clinton Portis is juicing

Funny you mention CP, because I think he is one of the Redskins that has had noticable muscle increase over the past year or so.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

By the way, for those that would like to jump to the following conclusion this does not mean Clinton Portis is juicing

That sorta came out of left field?!?!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

That sorta came out of left field?!?!

It actually didn't really. Someone here, I won't say who, out of the blue a few months ago said Portis was clearly juicing. And all I'm saying is don't assume.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It actually didn't really. Someone here, I won't say who, out of the blue a few months ago said Portis was clearly juicing. And all I'm saying is don't assume.

Gotcha. It seemed out of the blue and so therefore sounded defensive like you knew some inside info or something. Got sorta scared.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

That sorta came out of left field?!?!

I don't think so, his name would have eventually come up in this thread.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think a lot has to do with the fact that numbers mean a lot more in baseball. I mean you know that Hank Aaron has the record with 755 homeruns. You know Emmitt holds the rushing record, but how many people can tell you right off the top of their head how many yards he rushed for exactly? Cal Ripken played in 2632 consecutive games, I'm not even sure who holds the record in the NFL. Favre maybe?

By the way, for those that would like to jump to the following conclusion this does not mean Clinton Portis is juicing

Babe Ruth ate 2,632 hot dogs.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Babe Ruth ate 2,632 hot dogs.

But did he use mustard or ketchup is the real question, Buster?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Babe Ruth ate 2,632 hot dogs.

Can I get an Amen from the bobbleheads