Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

I think this is right. Taylor seems to be basically trying to contribute everywhere on D and is simply spread thin. If he could be free to roam like he was the last two years he'd be cracking skulls and picking passes all over. Now he is basically the fall back at every position in the secondary and supports all the LBs. The guy is a beast simpyl because he hasn't really looked too crappy in doing it. Imagine what our D would be without him. Jeez..scary to think about.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think this is right. Taylor seems to be basically trying to contribute everywhere on D and is simply spread thin. If he could be free to roam like he was the last two years he'd be cracking skulls and picking passes all over. Now he is basically the fall back at every position in the secondary and supports all the LBs. The guy is a beast simpyl because he hasn't really looked too crappy in doing it. Imagine what our D would be without him. Jeez..scary to think about.

Yay!! I'm right!!!

[dall-assblows]

i always think of how sean taylor would be as a linebacker, if he put on like a couple or so pounds, he would be amazing

[dall-assblows]

sean taylor stripped barber who hasn't fumbled in like 2 years, i love that about him

[MTK]

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

100%. I have never understood the Williams fascination. He can hit pretty decent but there are numerous hard hitting safeties. Hell Arch is considered a hard hitting safety who can't cover and we got killed for signing him. Think we would have gotten killed if we had signed Roy WIlliams like that? I highly doubt it. Is Madden behind this? He seems to be the biggest proliferator of over-hype in the league.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

I did say at the very beginning that this wasn't a comparision. I am sure that Dallas fans would say the exact opposite thing.

The reality is, both are giving up plays. I mean against the Gimps, the two deep passes should have been intercepted for the length of time it stayed up in the air. Later that Sunday, Williams should have intercepted the ball when I think Brown scored a TD.

[BMF21]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I did say at the very beginning that this wasn't a comparision. I am sure that Dallas fans would say the exact opposite thing.

The reality is, both are giving up plays. I mean against the Gimps, the two deep passes should have been intercepted for the length of time it stayed up in the air. Later that Sunday, Williams should have intercepted the ball when I think Brown scored a TD.

I'll say that there just in a bad secondarys........

[BMF21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

How is Vick overrated?....

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BMF21

How is Vick overrated?.... oh because he dont have those great receivers to throw to like peyton and carson palmer, , I also remember, they said it was stupid to think we were the wave of the future in Basketball.....................sad even in 2006, I'm sure if Vick had those great receivers that play in Cincy or Indy, his #'s would be way up, but your entitled to say that, but if Vick is overrated lets call out all the overrated players in the league at different postions......Brian Urlacher, John Lynch, Chad Pennington, Ben Rothlesberger, oh my God David Carr... and I'm sure there's tons more....but as time keep passing, QB's like Vick or the wave of the future...........there are no more Larry Birds in Basketball, are they?

Are you kidding me? Each game that goes by Vick demonstrates clearly that he is overrated. McNabb is a far better QB. FAR better. He can actually pass and guess what...he hasn't had exactly the second coming of Rice and Taylor at WR. People keep talking about this "wave" but all I see is pocket passers winning SBs. You are in the distinct minority if you think Vick is a top QB in this league. I can name 12 or 13 others I'd take first.

I take it from your comment that you are black. Are you trying to say that people think Vick is overrated because he is black? I think he is overrated because he has never shown that he can actually, you know, effectively pass the ball in the NFL. I don't care if he is white, black, pink, or purple. He sucks at passing. Color has nothing to do with success at the QB position. McNabb proves that each Sunday. Culpepper did the same before he was hurt. Our own JC will hopefully show that in the future. Dude, get over the black martyr stuff.

[BMF21]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you kidding me? Each game that goes by Vick demonstrates clearly that he is overrated. McNabb is a far better QB. FAR better. He can actually pass and guess what...he hasn't had exactly the second coming of Rice and Taylor at WR. People keep talking about this "wave" but all I see is pocket passers winning SBs. You are in the distinct minority if you think Vick is a top QB in this league. I can name 12 or 13 others I'd take first.

I take it from your comment that you are black. Are you trying to say that people think Vick is overrated because he is black? I think he is overrated because he has never shown that he can actually, you know, effectively pass the ball in the NFL. I don't care if he is white, black, pink, or purple. He sucks at passing. Color has nothing to do with success at the QB position. McNabb proves that each Sunday. Culpepper did the same before he was hurt. Our own JC will hopefully show that in the future. Dude, get over the black martyr stuff.

A Black.....a black what?....... no because he dont play the postion like you think he should, then he's overrated.........that's so much bull, they said that about MJ, that he scored to much and that he never be better than larry bird.........well you fools know how that turned out...

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by BMF21

A Black.....a black what?....... no because he dont play the postion like you think he should, then he's overrated.........that's so much bull, they said that about MJ, that he scored to much and that he never be better than larry bird.........well you fools know how that turned out...

Why is race an issue here? Nobody said that Vick was an overrated black quarterback. Don't put words in other people's mouths. He's just an overrated quarterback, period. Yes, Vick is an amazing athlete, but you can't come to the conclusion that he is a great quarterback because he is a great athlete. How has he proven to be a great quarterback so far? Maybe when all is said and done Vick will be one of the best, who knows? But he hasn't done jack to prove that yet.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BMF21

A Black.....a black what?....... no because he dont play the postion like you think he should, then he's overrated.........that's so much bull, they said that about MJ, that he scored to much and that he never be better than larry bird.........well you fools know how that turned out...

I apologize. You clearly are simply just a total f*cking moron. I notice you edited out most of your post after I made my response. You are worthless.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BMF21

How is Vick overrated?....

How is he not is the better question.

Check his numbers from last year, he made the Pro Bowl on his name alone. He had a pathetic year. His passing numbers are horrible. Great athlete, very average passer. He's an athlete playing QB, he scares no one in the pocket, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SKIN COLOR SO LET'S NOT EVEN GO THERE.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How is he not is the better question.

Check his numbers from last year, he made the Pro Bowl on his name alone. He had a pathetic year. His passing numbers are horrible. Great athlete, very average passer. He's an athlete playing QB, he scares no one in the pocket, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SKIN COLOR SO LET'S NOT EVEN GO THERE.

Vick is the single most over-rated player in the NFL. Amazing athlete, below average QB.