No Audibles

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know the answer to your first question. But how do you know we are the only team in organized football that doesn't audible?

all teams at least make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, at least to change the direction of the running plays, against the overloaded side of the formation. my son played a team midget football last year, and that team had audibles. i wonder why an nfl team, with the top athletes in the world, wouldnt have the power to audible out of a play that they know is doomed to fail, right from the beginning? is al saunders that egotistical that he thinks his plays will work no matter what defense is being used?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how do you know this? was it something that saunders or coach gibbs said? if its true, which i doubt, we are the only team in organized football that doesnt have some sort of audible system. i guess our playcalling is so indestructable that no matter what defense is being played, the offense will work. what a ajoke

It's been pretty well documented, here's some chatter from a Chiefs board when Saunders was there.

All scheme, no adjustments. The fact this offense has no audibles is Exhibit A that Saunders is just like Mike Martz...arrogant.

ChiefsPlanet

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's been pretty well documented, here's some chatter from a Chiefs board when Saunders was there.

ChiefsPlanet

damn...arrogant is the word.

[PhxRedSkin]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how do you know this? was it something that saunders or coach gibbs said? if its true, which i doubt, we are the only team in organized football that doesnt have some sort of audible system. i guess our playcalling is so indestructable that no matter what defense is being played, the offense will work. what a ajoke

Read something by Lombardi, Allen, Baugh, Jurgensen....Cooke....about the traditional system. NO AUDIBLES. Look at Gibbs at San Diego State and Tampa Bay. NO AUDIBLES. Gibbs allowed Ramsey to audible 2 years ago....jog your memory and do your history before you spew nonsense.

Hail
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[dmek25]

Originally Posted by PhxRedSkin

Read something by Lombardi, Allen, Baugh, Jurgensen....Cooke....about the traditional system. NO AUDIBLES. Look at Gibbs at San Diego State and Tampa Bay. NO AUDIBLES. Gibbs allowed Ramsey to audible 2 years ago....jog your memory and do your history before you spew nonsense.

Hail
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of course the traditional system had no audibles. the defenses got set, and stayed in that formation. there was no moving around, and hardly any blitzing. the defenses of today are constantly moving around, and blitzing probably 50% of the time. audibles are needed in todays game. and if you think this is nonsense, watch yesterdays game tape, and see how many plays were run directly into the teeth of the defense. im not about nonsense, im about results. and so far, the results i see out of our redskins arent favorable

[70Chip]

The problem with hot reads against the Eagles is that they want to force you into them. That's the idea. Same with Greg Williams. They blitz to get the ball out of the QB's hand quickly. Based on the formation, they can pretty well guess who the hot read is and get on top of it right away. That's why Rogers being 15 yards off the receiver is so bizarre. The hot read can be a fade which is what they must have thought the Eagles would try to do to Rogers, but it's usually not when you give them all that room. Our corners need to show different looks. Start off giving a cushion and then come up right before the snap or vice versa. We made it easy at times.

There were a couple of times in the first half today when Brunell didn't need to check or audible but just call a TO. Everyone watching could see the blitz coming and could tell we wouldn't be able to stop them. Go to the sideline and get another play. Sometimes the defense will back off figuring you will max protect. And, timeouts are not so valuable in the first half. Points are.

[redskinsfanatic]

i think if the redskins had run the same offense they did last year this season with gibbs calling the plays,the redskins may have been undefeated up to this point.i think gibbs misjudged what a good play caller he was,and overestimated saunders!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

i think if the redskins had run the same offense they did last year this season with gibbs calling the plays,the redskins may have been undefeated up to this point.i think gibbs misjudged what a good play caller he was,and overestimated saunders!

I actually thought Gibbs was not doing a good job calling plays. Way too conservative.

[saden1]

Forget Audibles, they don't even seem to have hot reads. On good teams, the WRs and QB have this look they give each other. We on the other hand have this Nazi system that has no flexibility. You can't blame the players for that. I wish Gibbs would take over. Perhaps then we might win.

[Daseal]

i think if the redskins had run the same offense they did last year this season with gibbs calling the plays,the redskins may have been undefeated up to this point.i think gibbs misjudged what a good play caller he was,and overestimated saunders!

I hope this is a joke. Did you see our offense last year? Our PPG was awful, the playcalling was awful, and we broke an NFL record for lowest offense in a playoff game. After that tampa playoff game both teams should have been eliminated.

[That Guy]

last year we used audibles and it worked out well. saunders uses pre snap movement instead, except we haven't been using it since week 2 (and a couple times vs dallas), so we've got the worst of both worlds. joy.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by That Guy

last year we used audibles and it worked out well. saunders uses pre snap movement instead, except we haven't been using it since week 2 (and a couple times vs dallas), so we've got the worst of both worlds. joy.

I have a question for you That Guy. Is it just me or has Saunders been a blinding disappointment. I know he's had some constraints and I know it's only nine games but factoring that in, I still see his hiring as a mistake. I thought he would run the Gibbs system and slowly add his flavor to the mix. Instead it was a complete overhaul. I also get the vibe that he is not fitting in well with the other assistants and it's creating tension. Don't know who exactly, no specifics, just a feeling I have. I'm beginning to the think we should have listened to that tubby sportswriter from KC - J. Whitlock. Your thoughts?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I have a question for you That Guy. Is it just me or has Saunders been a blinding disappointment. I know he's had some constraints and I know it's only nine games but factoring that in, I still see his hiring as a mistake. I thought he would run the Gibbs system and slowly add his flavor to the mix. Instead it was a complete overhaul. I also get the vibe that he is not fitting in well with the other assistants and it's creating tension. Don't know who exactly, no specifics, just a feeling I have. I'm beginning to the think we should have listened to that tubby sportswriter from KC - J. Whitlock. Your thoughts?

Whitlock has integrity (he wasn't saying that just for ratings)... he said saunders is good at what he does, but he's a backbiter, and it's proven to be true (he's complained publicly that brunell can't do a lot of things, that campbell isn't smart enough or ready to run his offense, that portis should never take himself out of games, etc etc). seems there's always a reason things don't work out, and it's NEVER HIS FAULT. that's what i don't like, and that's why he should never be a head coach. if he can't take responsiblity for anything he does, why wouldn't his players follow that example?

I mean, if betts made that 3rd and 1, do you think he would have taken the time to call out portis in the post-game interview? I doubt it.

It has been a blinding failure, but it's not entirely saunders fault. he can't use the personnel he wants, i'm not sure how much gibbs is interfering with his game plans and playcalling, etc. I do know that it looks like he's calling plays for the KC personnel and he's failed to make meaningful adjustments in a timely manner (ie, brunnel is a much better passer out of the shotgun (where he's not watching the rush), so it takes 9 weeks before we see a single shotgun snap (which worked well enough, btw)). Saunders uses motion instead of audibles to create mismatches, but we haven't really seen any motion except on a limited basis in week 1, 2, and 9.

BUT, you can't expect a new system to work right off the bat. that said it should be performing better by now... brunell and the OL may be bottlenecks though which does make it harder to judge, and campbell probably won't run a full offense right away either.


that said, if he does leave after this year, i won't miss him.

[FRPLG]

Lots of teams call no audibles. In fact in the West Coast offense it is common. The alt is of course the hot read which everyone so desperately wanted instead of audibles when Spurrier was here.

Audibles aren't an issue. The execution of hot reads is difficult but very rewarding when done right. I think we have struggled with it. I think Brunell wasn't in the proper mind set to execute them and I think it a function of his lack of confidence in his physical abilities. I really think he just didn't believe he could make some of the throws so he just checked down when he knew a proper hot read was needed and he couldn't get it done.

It really seemed that way to me. A few times announcers, who mostly have a very poor understanding and recognition of hot read I have noticed, pointed out that a hot read didn't work right. I think it happened far more than anyone has talked about.

Maybe Campbell will be braven enough to just make the proper reads and do what is supposed to be done. Or maybe he will struggle with reads. I have no idea. But I am excited that there is a chance he can get it done. Brunell didn't have that chance anymore.
Any team involving Saunders never has. St Louis and KC didn't.