Totally not cool rip on Ramsey

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by hagams

Liked him, he's a bust, not Gibbs fault. Bad first round pick....period!

Wow, a perfect summation of Ramsey's tenure.

[hesscl34]

Ramsey was/is a head case.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Ramsey was/is a head case.

What's qualifies him as a "head case"? Ryan Leaf was a head case. Ramsey basically sang the company line for his entire tenure as a Redskin until Gibbs told everyone that Ramsey was the guy and they were going to draft weapons to surround him with, and then he drafts a corner and a quarterback...

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Penn State rb's shouldn't be allowed in the league? Last time I checked Larry Johnson was the second best RB in the game.

Well, even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days...

From LJ, you'd have to go back to Franco Harris to see a productive running back come out of Penn State.

Ramsey had his chance, and we've all moved on for the better. If he's successful elsewhere, I'll tip my cap to him. But until then, he's a bust.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Worst all-time first-round picks - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Thesport writers at Yahoo! are up to it agian placing P. Ramsey as the 32nd worse all time pick in the draft. I understand there arnt a lot of 32nd picks, but no way poor Ramsey is the worst

How is he not the worst pick? Who would be worse?
The man never lived up to his potential, and it took the skins longer than it took the freakin Jets to figure this out. I'm sure the Broncos will figure it out soon too and he'll be out of football. The man had a strong arm, but nothing else.

It's a good thing Akili Smith was really horrendous, cause I would have guessed Shuler would be the worst pick EVER, nevermind worst pick at the 3rd selection. Shuler got lucky.

I'm sure some of you guys already know this, but here is an interesting, "what is he doing now" about Shuler:
https://election.nationaljournal.com...c11_shuler.htm

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by angryssg

He was never given a fair shot under Gibbs.

oh pleeeeez. It's not Gibbs fault he needs to be on dancin with the dummies.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

What's qualifies him as a "head case"? Ryan Leaf was a head case. Ramsey basically sang the company line for his entire tenure as a Redskin until Gibbs told everyone that Ramsey was the guy and they were going to draft weapons to surround him with, and then he drafts a corner and a quarterback...

Not sure how you came up with Gibbs told everyone that Ramsey was the guy when the very first thing he did was sign Brunell. Now in 05 he did do as you said but as we now know Gibbs was correct but not with the Brunell signing but with his assessment of Ramsey. Man this is great anyone have an opinion as to what the furure holds for Lavar in the NFL.

[Beemnseven]

The real crime is that the Redskins as a franchise have legit claims to TWO of the worst first round QBs in a span of just nine years.

We should be lucky they overlooked Shuler.

Good lord, let's hope Campbell is the real deal. Haven't we suffered long enough?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Now in 05 he did do as you said but as we now know Gibbs was correct but not with the Brunell signing but with his assessment of Ramsey.

I was refering to the comments made before the 2005 draft by Gibbs. I'm willing to accept that he was correct with his assessment of Ramsey, but he still drafted a cornerback and quarterback in the first round, immediately after telling a large crowd at Fedex that they were going to draft weapons for Ramsey.

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Campbell has far better tools and potential than Ramsey, so hopefully it won't be as easy for Gibbs to weazel Brunell back into the lineup this season.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I was refering to the comments made before the 2005 draft by Gibbs. I'm willing to accept that he was correct with his assessment of Ramsey, but he still drafted a cornerback and quarterback in the first round, immediately after telling a large crowd at Fedex that they were going to draft weapons for Ramsey.

Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Campbell has far better tools and potential than Ramsey, so hopefully it won't be as easy for Gibbs to weazel Brunell back into the lineup this season.

Come on lets stop with the "Gibbs to weazel Brunell back into the line up" he was the best most experenced QB we had so he had to go with what we had at the time.You already admitted Ramsey was not the guy to lead our team. He finally decided it was time Jason (and I think it was th correct time) to help him get ready for 2007. The only way Brunell will see the field as a Redskin is if Jason goes down or he plays so bad that its not even a decision. Which I don't see that happening.

[SmootSmack]

Incidentally, here are the other #32 picks

2003-Oakland Raiders: DE Tyler Brayton

2004-New England: TE Ben Watson

2005-New England: G Logan Mankins

2006-NY Giants: DE Mathias Kiwanuka

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by angryssg

He was never given a fair shot under Gibbs.

See what you started?

[freddyg12]

1) Does anyone really disagree w/Gibbs' decision to nab JC & let go of Ramsey?
2) Ramsey is a good guy & was good for the team as much as he could be. He will likely never develop into a good nfl qb, but he'll also likely never be out of work till he's in his early 30s.
3) The ole ball coach put em through hell, but also gave him opportunities to shine. Remember when he came in for his first action? against Tenn. I think it was. He looked promising. Then when we started the 04 season 3-1, he was lighting it up a bit.
I won't say that Spurrier had a legit game plan, but Ramsey's primary flaw - slow reads & release - came out in it just as it did w/Gibbs' system.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Incidentally, here are the other #32 picks

2003-Oakland Raiders: DE Tyler Brayton

2004-New England: TE Ben Watson

2005-New England: G Logan Mankins

2006-NY Giants: DE Mathias Kiwanuka

Yeah, there is no doubt that Ramsey is the worst out of this crew.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

1) Does anyone really disagree w/Gibbs' decision to nab JC & let go of Ramsey?

Nope

2) Ramsey is a good guy & was good for the team as much as he could be. He will likely never develop into a good nfl qb, but he'll also likely never be out of work till he's in his early 30s.

Considering he's already 28, it's no stretch to say that. He will be out of work soon when people figure out they would rather take a chance / save room for a rookie than a never was.

3) The ole ball coach put em through hell, but also gave him opportunities to shine. Remember when he came in for his first action? against Tenn. I think it was. He looked promising. Then when we started the 04 season 3-1, he was lighting it up a bit.
I won't say that Spurrier had a legit game plan, but Ramsey's primary flaw - slow reads & release - came out in it just as it did w/Gibbs' system.

And poor decision making, and sub par accuracy. I remember him missing so badly you were unsure of where he was throwing the ball. Then the next throw would be so perfect it was amazing. He was dramatically inconsistant.