Santana vs. Randy

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.

Has anyone noticed that Smith has bulked up considerably since the Super Bowl year. NFL Network was running a program yesterday about the Patriots when they won their second Super Bowl and there was this scene with Mussin and Smtih where I remembered thinking "God Steve Smith was skinny." However you look at him now and he has tree trunks for legs.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss...

There are certainly more physical, but I don't know if there are any faster. I mean Steve Smith is right there, but as far as a guy who can go from zero-to-full speed in an instant, I can't think of anyone as fast as Santana. When he gets the ball in the open field he never, ever gets caught. I think back to that screen pass he took 70+ yards to the house vs. KC in '05. Man, he made the defensive players look like they were walking. He has blinding acceleration and his top speed is as good or better than any WR in the league.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

DASEAL, good point and I bring this up, now were 6 games in the season, and just cause your a skins fans, dont be a dumb ass, R. Moss is doing all the right things, saying the right things and is easily a pro bowler, where santana is good but his ability has seem to slip (a little) Randy Moss is faster a big target and a redzone threat......were santana is just as fast, and a good route runner....his hands arent as good as Randy's....... I'll say it and say it until im blue in the face.......we are a big time receiver away from being an elite team.........look how close we are now...and we have no starting receiver over 6' feet we have a 6-4 220 Qb throwing down at his receivers... man this team is so close from being on the same level as N.E.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

DASEAL, good point and I bring this up, now were 6 games in the season, and just cause your a skins fans, dont be a dumb ass, R. Moss is doing all the right things, saying the right things and is easily a pro bowler, where santana is good but his ability has seem to slip (a little) Randy Moss is faster a big target and a redzone threat......were santana is just as fast, and a good route runner....his hands arent as good as Randy's....... I'll say it and say it until im blue in the face.......we are a big time receiver away from being an elite team.........look how close we are now...and we have no starting receiver over 6' feet we have a 6-4 220 Qb throwing down at his receivers... man this team is so close from being on the same level as N.E.

I don't know what games u have been watching but we could not be on the same level as NE even if they had Santana Moss and we had Randy. Brady and Peyton are in a league of their own and they will not let their teams be mediocre. I don't think NE is unbeatable (in fact we have a chance to beat them IMO) but they have something that the skins won't have for awhile. Experience, specifically big game experience. They know how to close out games and they have that killer instinct. They were losing to Dallas in the 3rd quarter on the road. Could you imagine how the Redskins would have responded in that same situation? We might have been able to pull one out but I am DAMN sure that we wouldn't have put it into 6th gear and won the game by 21 points like they did. Sorry man I love the skins and am not a big fan of the Pats at all, but lets not get carried away.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I don't know what games u have been watching but we could not be on the same level as NE even if they had Santana Moss and we had Randy. Brady and Peyton are in a league of their own and they will not let their teams be mediocre. I don't think NE is unbeatable (in fact we have a chance to beat them IMO) but they have something that the skins won't have for awhile. Experience, specifically big game experience. They know how to close out games and they have that killer instinct. They were losing to Dallas in the 3rd quarter on the road. Could you imagine how the Redskins would have responded in that same situation? We might have been able to pull one out but I am DAMN sure that we wouldn't have put it into 6th gear and won the game by 21 points like they did. Sorry man I love the skins and am not a big fan of the Pats at all, but lets not get carried away.

I couldnt agree more. There is no way we are one WR away from being in their class...

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I don't know what games u have been watching but we could not be on the same level as NE even if they had Santana Moss and we had Randy. Brady and Peyton are in a league of their own and they will not let their teams be mediocre. I don't think NE is unbeatable (in fact we have a chance to beat them IMO) but they have something that the skins won't have for awhile. Experience, specifically big game experience. They know how to close out games and they have that killer instinct. They were losing to Dallas in the 3rd quarter on the road. Could you imagine how the Redskins would have responded in that same situation? We might have been able to pull one out but I am DAMN sure that we wouldn't have put it into 6th gear and won the game by 21 points like they did. Sorry man I love the skins and am not a big fan of the Pats at all, but lets not get carried away.

pay damn attention, im not talking about Brady or Manning, we easily could be 5-0 and if we had a big play receiver our record would reflect that, now as far as N.E. is concernced or D is Better than there's and even though Jason is not there yet, you can see he has it.......to be a very good QB, he just needs a receiver like Larry Fitzgearld or C. Johnson or and it opens up everthing else........but you will be sucking crow, wen we get our receiver to help JC

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

he just needs a receiver like Larry Fitzgearld or C. Johnson or and it opens up everthing else........but you will be sucking crow, wen we get our receiver to help JC

We may not be able to get a Fitzgerald or C. Johnson, but Bryant Johnson from Arizona is a FA at the end of the season, he's 6'3" 220 and the only reason he ins't starting is because he is behind Fitz & A. Boldin. He would be a great FA acquisition in the off season and should come at a reasonable price.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

pay damn attention, im not talking about Brady or Manning, we easily could be 5-0 and if we had a big play receiver our record would reflect that, now as far as N.E. is concernced or D is Better than there's and even though Jason is not there yet, you can see he has it.......to be a very good QB, he just needs a receiver like Larry Fitzgearld or C. Johnson or and it opens up everthing else.......but you will be sucking crow, wen we get our receiver to help JC

Ur original point was that we are one elite receiver away from being in the same class as New England. Now listen to what I am saying, we can add ANY receiver u want in the NFL to our roster and we wont be on New England's level. The reason, as i mentioned before, is that those teams have QB's with experience in putting games away and making their teams. They've also designed their teams (or at least their offenses from the ground up). I'm not saying that JC won't someday have that experience but if you throw an elite WR into the mix right now, it isn't gonna magically make the skins win like New England does.

ppl act like inserting players into a football roster is like putting pieces of a puzzle together and they will just fit seemlessly. Being redskins fans we should have learned a long time ago that this is not the case. We are never just one player away from being an elite team, its just not that simple. We also need to get our O-line healthy (I would bet that not even Peyton and Brady could do anything with our current O-line), our running game needs to be more consistent, and I still think we need help on the D-line. I might be able to agree with ur statement if u said we are an O-lineman (for depth and future success), D-lineman, big play WR, a bunch of practice time, and a whole lot of experience away from being as good as New England currently is. And I'm not any less of a redskins fan b/c I want Moss-JC to do well so I won't be "sucking any crow" if Moss comes out of his slump.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah, I have to agree with 12th here. While Santana hasn't consistently put up the numbers you want to see from an elite receiver in the league, I would still say top ten.

[MTK]

Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. Yes he was nicked up last year and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. Yes he was nicked up last year and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.

The same could be said for Randy Moss too. When was the last time he put up stellar numbers?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The same could be said for Randy Moss too. When was the last time he put up stellar numbers?

I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.

Correct. I actually think R.Moss is a lock for the Hall.

But over the past, let's say three seasons, S.Moss all day long in my book.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.

My point on this thread is obvious but seriously. Santana Moss does not belong in the same breath as Randy Moss. I bleed Burgandy and Gold but anyone who honestly thinks our guy is anywhere near Randy needs psycological help.

BTW. Last year Randy sucked and our guy sucked. For a point of reference look at career stats, look at one year stats, look at total touchdowns look at one year touchdowns. Need I continue.....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. Yes he was nicked up last year and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.

And what worries me was that was his knock before coming to Washington. At least it's not for a lack of effort from Santana as it is from Randy.