Are the Redskins Below Average?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I really don't like today's article, in Redskins Insider. Redskins Insider

I think he is way off base. I think that the only place our talent is possibly sub-par is on our Dline. The offensive line is getting old , but they can play. Our skill players, on offense, are well above average. Linebackers are solid, even if McIntosh turns out to be a bust. They will just play Marshall. Campbell is in his third year and from what I hear is the hardest working Quarterback in the NFL. With a near full draft next year, they are well on their way to a championship.

What gives anyone the reason to believe we are anything more than mediocore? Out of 10 years we have had two winning seasons. other than a year or two of 8-8, we have had losing seasons. I dont care what kind of talent we have on PAPER, until we win games, and the talent lives up to the hype this is who we are. We have done absolutely nothing to discount those opinions. They are actually more fact than opinion. I am sick of hearing how people on here say they are bashing the skins. what makes you think we deserve anything other than bashing or expers questioning our team? We have stunk for all most 10 years. there are only 3 franchises since 2000 that have lost more games than us.

Hopefully this year will be different. The only way to stop the negativety towards our skins is to WIN, something we have not done in LONG time. and I mean win year in and year out, not one year out of 5.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Griffen is the only D-lineman on the Skins who might start for another team in the league. I doubt any of the others on the roster would...

Well, well, well...look who decides to show up after several weeks away. And does he say "thank you" for this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-w...ile-today.html

No! <<smootmsmack runs crying to his room>>

We have a lot of doubters to prove wrong this season. I think we're up to the task

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, well, well...look who decides to show up after several weeks away. And does he say "thank you" for this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-w...ile-today.html

No! <<smootmsmack runs crying to his room>>

We have a lot of doubters to prove wrong this season. I think we're up to the task

LOL!!! Welcome back SC. Hope you're smiling and congrats on the blog...

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, well, well...look who decides to show up after several weeks away. And does he say "thank you" for this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-w...ile-today.html

No! <<smootmsmack runs crying to his room>>

We have a lot of doubters to prove wrong this season. I think we're up to the task

Same thing happened in '05. I am glad.

[T.O.Killa]

Everyone keeps saying lets get this lets get that guy, most are not better than Carter last year. Alex Brown, that everyone keeps asking for, had only 7 sacks. Carter is also not undersized. DE on the weak side are smaller fast rushers. The Redskins only forced 19 sacks, which I am sure made it even harder for Carter to get to the QB. The problem we had was that Holdman sucked. If we had Lavar last year our run defense would have been much better.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Everyone keeps saying lets get this lets get that guy, most are not better than carter last year. Alex Brown, that everyone keeps asking for had only 7 sacks. Carter is also not undersized. DE on the weak side are smaller fast rushers. The Redskins only forced 19 sacks, which I am sure made it even harder for Carter to get to the QB. The problem we had was that Holdman sucked. If we had Lavar last year our run defense would have been much better.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Schneed10]

Yeah, lot of good Lavar would have done us while sitting on the bench with a torn achilles.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Everyone keeps saying lets get this lets get that guy, most are not better than Carter last year. Alex Brown, that everyone keeps asking for, had only 7 sacks. Carter is also not undersized. DE on the weak side are smaller fast rushers. The Redskins only forced 19 sacks, which I am sure made it even harder for Carter to get to the QB. The problem we had was that Holdman sucked. If we had Lavar last year our run defense would have been much better.

How would have Lavar helped us? He would've been on injured reserve for the whole season.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah, lot of good Lavar would have done us while sitting on the bench with a torn achilles.

I dont think LaVar would have made a bit of difference on our team last year. One LB spot was a really small portion of our problem.

[FRPLG]

Other than Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, and maybe Marcus Washington there isn't a single player on the Redskins team that would take over at least 10 players at that position.

This is a dumb assertion because the top 10 is not even half. Try the top 16.:

QB-Campbell: no
HB-Portis: yes
FB-Sellers: yes (name me 16 better fullbacks)
WR1-Moss: yes
WR2-?: no
TE-Cooley: yes
LT-Samuels- yes
LG-?: no
C-Rabach: no
RG-Thomas: yes
RT-Jansen: not sure...we'll say no

CB1-Springs: yes(name me 16 better CBs)
CB2-Rogers: no
S-Taylor: yes
S-Landry: no(???)
RE-Carter: no
DT-Golston: no
DT-Griffin: yes(name me 16 better DTs when healthy)
LE-Daniels: no
OLB-Washington: yes
MLB-Fletcher: yes
OLB-McCintosh: no

By my count that is 11. Now some of them are obvious and some aren't(Griffin,Spirngs, Sellers) but on talent alone they are certainly better than half of the comparables. The question is health.

As to talent anyways...we didn't have much "talent" when our defense was ranked 3rd so maybe "talent" doesn't mean quite as much as he thinks.

He has some solid stuff but I think he is a little too negative for my liking.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is a dumb assertion because the top 10 is not even half. Try the top 16.:

QB-Campbell: no
HB-Portis: yes
FB-Sellers: yes (name me 16 better fullbacks)
WR1-Moss: yes
WR2-?: no
TE-Cooley: yes
LT-Samuels- yes
LG-?: no
C-Rabach: no
RG-Thomas: yes
RT-Jansen: not sure...we'll say no

CB1-Springs: yes(name me 16 better CBs)
CB2-Rogers: no
S-Taylor: yes
S-Landry: no(???)
RE-Carter: no
DT-Golston: no
DT-Griffin: yes(name me 16 better DTs when healthy)
LE-Daniels: no
OLB-Washington: yes
MLB-Fletcher: yes
OLB-McCintosh: no

By my count that is 11. Now some of them are obvious and some aren't(Griffin,Spirngs, Sellers) but on talent alone they are certainly better than half of the comparables. The question is health.

As to talent anyways...we didn't have much "talent" when our defense was ranked 3rd so maybe "talent" doesn't mean quite as much as he thinks.

He has some solid stuff but I think he is a little too negative for my liking.

But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

good point.

Springs and Griffin are undeniably in the top 32 at their positions.

Plus what it comes down to, like Grills showed in 04 and 05 is using the talent you have properly. If you tookmthe best at every position in the league and put them on the field using a bad scheme they'd get beat. Scheme and gameplan is as important as talent in today's NFL.

Look at it this way. Talent is the tool and scheme is the handyman. Just because the handyman has the right tool doesn't mean he knows how to use it effectively. What remains to be seen is whether Grills can use the talent we have better than he did last year.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Until we prove that we can win on a consistent basis, then we'll keep seeing more articles like this.

My point exactly!

[skinsfan_nn]

Simple.....NO. We are way above average, just wait and see!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We'll find out in September. Until then that article is just one person's opinion.

yeah ur right