Jansen's replacement

sportscurmudgeon · 08-10-2004, 03:26 PM

Dockery to play RT because he does not have the footspeed to pull out at guard but he has the quickness to move a few steps and engage a pass rusher.

To whomever said he was a beast, please don't insult The Blob like that...

MTK · 08-10-2004, 11:51 AM

I'm not sure that Dockery has the feet to play tackle, that was the knock on him coming out. I trust Bugel will make the right move and have that guy ready to go.

I wonder if Samuels could move to RT and Winey could start at LT?

Daseal · 08-10-2004, 12:41 PM

i wanna see winey

cpayne5 · 08-10-2004, 12:43 PM

I don't think we'll be seing Samuels being moved, but who knows. He's been a mainstay over there on the left side for a while. Like you, I trust Buges's decision making skills.

At least this didn't happen on 9/03.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 03:40 PM

SC, with all due respect if Dockery is too slow to play guard then he's definitely not better off at RT. Guys like Strahan will eat him for lunch, I don't even want to think about it. How about Kearse rushing wide on him, it would be an absolute nightmare.

He's better off inside working in a tight space. Putting him on an island would not be a wise move IMO.

sportscurmudgeon · 08-10-2004, 03:48 PM

Matty:

I wasn't clear in my previous post.

What Dockery cannot do is run forward very fast to lead a running play anywhere beyond the right guard. That is what I mean by "slow". He is quck enough in that he gets off the ball and into a blocking position quickly, but he cannot run straight ahead very fast. I think he might be able to outrun a snowman, but I'm not sure I'd wager on that...

Tackles are not asked to run fast on many plays but they do need to be big and strong and have the quick feet to get into a blocking position. Doclery is big; I presume that he is strong or he would have been dropped off the starting OL because Bugel seems not to like folks who do not get with the weight lifting program; he has quick feet.

I'd move him to tackle if it were my choice until he showed me in the later pre-season games that he just can't do that. After all, Jones has already plaayed RT in the NFL - albeit not spectacularly - so waiting to put him there is not a huge penalty while you see if Dockery can actually make the switch.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 03:55 PM

SC, I wouldn't be surprised if Dockery is tried out at RT, I'm just not confident he'll stick.

Most of the scouting reports on him coming out of college said he would be better off playing guard in the NFL as there were questions about his quickness.

I just can't see him faring very well against speed rushers, then again the dropoff from Jansen to anybody we have is going to be significant.

It's a good thing Gibbs relies heavily on his backs and h-backs to help out up front, because they're going to be vital to our pass protection with Jansen out.

skinzfan44 · 08-10-2004, 10:56 PM

Trade for a vet!!!

P.S. All you central florida skinz fanz come to Gators Dockside in Eustis on sundayz!!
Skinz club now forming!!!!

aehs77 · 08-10-2004, 11:20 PM

marc wilson looked solid in the second half yesterday

aehs77 · 08-10-2004, 11:24 PM

tackle is a much slower position than guard dockery may be a perfect fit

NY_Skinsfan · 08-10-2004, 11:34 PM

Next week is Carolina....Will Julius Peppers be a good test for these guys? Or will Samuels be guarding him? I don't know too much about him (Peppers) but remember hearing that he had a lot of sacks in a short period of time.

SmootSmack · 08-11-2004, 12:14 AM

I like the idea of Kenyatta Jones starting. Maybe we could bring back Brad Badger for some veteran depth as well

diehardskin2982 · 08-11-2004, 11:09 AM

remember this person has to protect brunnels blind side

CRT3 · 08-11-2004, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

remember this person has to protect brunnels blind side

Ok lets eliminate the blindside theory. In the typical Gibbs, Buges, Simmons, Burns, and Breux offense, there really is no strong side weak side offensive set up. It is predicated on a balance set up with motion to confuse. The point is to bring the 8th and 9th man in the box so as to go up top. Untill then they just play smash mouth straight ahead or via the counter trey.

I agree that Dockery is not fast but is quick. This will hinder his ability in the counter attack as it requires fairly nimble tackles. But they will put there best 5 lineman on the field and they do require multi tasking lineman for those who remember the past.I seem to recall a lineman going down on a yearly basis (Bosic, Lachey, Jacoby, Grimm ??, Schrelth, and etc..) and they pluged and shuffle their way to a few Super Bowls.

So what will happen is what will happen along as we keep on hearing that imortal phrase "Touchdown Washington Redskins"

EEich · 08-11-2004, 11:16 AM

I think Gibbs will go with KJones...
The Times says that the 'skins are looking at former Dolphins Guard Jamie Nails and former Chargers Tackle Vaughn Parker to fill out the line.

View Poll Results: Who should start at right tackle?
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Mark Wilson	3	3.95%
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Free Agent	6	7.89%
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08-10-2004, 11:51 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I'm not sure that Dockery has the feet to play tackle, that was the knock on him coming out. I trust Bugel will make the right move and have that guy ready to go. I wonder if Samuels could move to RT and Winey could start at LT? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2004, 12:43 PM	#4
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	I don't think we'll be seing Samuels being moved, but who knows. He's been a mainstay over there on the left side for a while. Like you, I trust Buges's decision making skills. At least this didn't happen on 9/03. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

08-10-2004, 03:40 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	SC, with all due respect if Dockery is too slow to play guard then he's definitely not better off at RT. Guys like Strahan will eat him for lunch, I don't even want to think about it. How about Kearse rushing wide on him, it would be an absolute nightmare. He's better off inside working in a tight space. Putting him on an island would not be a wise move IMO. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2004, 03:55 PM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	SC, I wouldn't be surprised if Dockery is tried out at RT, I'm just not confident he'll stick. Most of the scouting reports on him coming out of college said he would be better off playing guard in the NFL as there were questions about his quickness. I just can't see him faring very well against speed rushers, then again the dropoff from Jansen to anybody we have is going to be significant. It's a good thing Gibbs relies heavily on his backs and h-backs to help out up front, because they're going to be vital to our pass protection with Jansen out. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2004, 03:26 PM	#1
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Dockery to play RT because he does not have the footspeed to pull out at guard but he has the quickness to move a few steps and engage a pass rusher. To whomever said he was a beast, please don't insult The Blob like that...

08-10-2004, 12:41 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	i wanna see winey

08-10-2004, 03:48 PM	#6
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Matty: I wasn't clear in my previous post. What Dockery cannot do is run forward very fast to lead a running play anywhere beyond the right guard. That is what I mean by "slow". He is quck enough in that he gets off the ball and into a blocking position quickly, but he cannot run straight ahead very fast. I think he might be able to outrun a snowman, but I'm not sure I'd wager on that... Tackles are not asked to run fast on many plays but they do need to be big and strong and have the quick feet to get into a blocking position. Doclery is big; I presume that he is strong or he would have been dropped off the starting OL because Bugel seems not to like folks who do not get with the weight lifting program; he has quick feet. I'd move him to tackle if it were my choice until he showed me in the later pre-season games that he just can't do that. After all, Jones has already plaayed RT in the NFL - albeit not spectacularly - so waiting to put him there is not a huge penalty while you see if Dockery can actually make the switch.

08-10-2004, 10:56 PM	#8
skinzfan44 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 59	Trade for a vet!!! P.S. All you central florida skinz fanz come to Gators Dockside in Eustis on sundayz!! Skinz club now forming!!!!

08-10-2004, 11:20 PM	#9
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 40 Posts: 486	marc wilson looked solid in the second half yesterday

08-10-2004, 11:24 PM	#10
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 40 Posts: 486	tackle is a much slower position than guard dockery may be a perfect fit

08-10-2004, 11:34 PM	#11
NY_Skinsfan Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Albany, NY Age: 52 Posts: 838	Next week is Carolina....Will Julius Peppers be a good test for these guys? Or will Samuels be guarding him? I don't know too much about him (Peppers) but remember hearing that he had a lot of sacks in a short period of time.

08-11-2004, 12:14 AM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I like the idea of Kenyatta Jones starting. Maybe we could bring back Brad Badger for some veteran depth as well __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-11-2004, 11:09 AM	#13
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	remember this person has to protect brunnels blind side

08-11-2004, 11:16 AM	#15
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	I think Gibbs will go with KJones... The Times says that the 'skins are looking at former Dolphins Guard Jamie Nails and former Chargers Tackle Vaughn Parker to fill out the line.

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