Zorn-o-meter

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

With all that close attention he is giving JC I would think he would be getting better not going backwards. Besides the game against the Giants we have not had a bunch of dropped passes. The evidence is the lack of any threads or post talking about dropped passes until this week. I now give Zorn a # which is down from a 4 because he is getting out coached and it seems that he does not adjust well when things are not working. I still like Zorn but he is also learning so it will take some time for him to adjust in his new role.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

Fantastic analysis IMO - i've tried to explain before I have total faith in the QB situation (if not JC) because of who is heading this ship.

Overall I give Zorn a 4. While poor execution along the line and among our WR corp has killed us and those position coaches need to put the hammer down (Hixon should be gone IMHO) Zorn still has the ultimate responsibility to "discipline the generals and the troops."

[calia]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Fantastic analysis IMO - i've tried to explain before I have total faith in the QB situation (if not JC) because of who is heading this ship.

Overall I give Zorn a 4. While poor execution along the line and among our WR corp has killed us and those position coaches need to put the hammer down (Hixon should be gone IMHO) Zorn still has the ultimate responsibility to "discipline the generals and the troops."

I agree. With Zorn, even when we've not played well, I continue to feel as though we're close and our best days are ahead. I haven't felt that way consistently through a season in a long, long time.

[Schneed10]

I'll go 3.5 on Zorn. He's good with Campbell, which is a huge plus. The team fights for him and respects him. I think he's a tremendous playcaller too.

Couple things I really don't understand though:

- Why aren't we using Randy Thomas on pull blocks to get him out in space? This was our best running play under Gibbs. It's not like Thomas is suddenly slow, he hurt his triceps last year, not his legs.

- Why have Cooley and Sellers practically disappeared as red zone targets? They're our two best red zone passing options, by far.

- How can our special teams coverage units be so lousy? We lost Torrence which hurt, but that's not the whole reason. Gibbs always had a strong committment to personally ensuring these units were performing well. I don't think Zorn is paying enough attention here, and for good reason, he can't. He's too busy coaching up Campbell. But he's got to get on top of these units somehow.

[MTK]

Zorn did try to hit Sellers on that playaction flip in Seattle, and he dropped it. But yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen more of that. It was such a money play in 2005.

[skinsfan69]

Was a 4 but now I'm bumping him down to a 3. Is it me or does it seem like we never make any adjustments? If we can't score then try to change things up. JC seems to run the no huddle pretty well so why not try that? Plus with Davis and Thomas giving us nothing, some of that has to fall on the coach or the coaches. If we're in the red zone Davis should be on the field. Makes no sense.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Was a 4 but now I'm bumping him down to a 3. Is it me or does it seem like we never make any adjustments? If we can't score then try to change things up. JC seems to run the no huddle pretty well so why not try that? Plus with Davis and Thomas giving us nothing, some of that has to fall on the coach or the coaches. If we're in the red zone Davis should be on the field. Makes no sense.

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

So what, he's retarded or something?

How hard can it be?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So what, he's retarded or something?

How hard can it be?

I'd hope not.

But that's the excuse they keep giving for keeping him inactive from week to week. I figure the least they can do is activate him and let him run a couple of plays per game. What's the worse that can happen? JC stays either horizontal or running away from defenders most of the game anyway and the only two players with consistent hands are Moss and Cooley. I don't think it could hurt to give Davis a few reps.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

I don't know if thats the whole truth. You don't need the whole play book to use him on a few plays here and there. All they have to do is while on the side lines tell him this play you run ten yards and turn left and the ball will be on its way. Heck, I have heard of QB's making up a play in the huddle because they saw something that would work. I'm sure thats not done very often in todays NFL but it not rock science.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm sure thats not done very often in todays NFL but it not rock science.

Geology?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't know if thats the whole truth. You don't need the whole play book to use him on a few plays here and there. All they have to do is while on the side lines tell him this play you run ten yards and turn left and the ball will be on its way. Heck, I have heard of QB's making up a play in the huddle because they saw something that would work. I'm sure thats not done very often in todays NFL but it not rock science.

He should at least be able to learn and execute a handful of plays. Like you said firstdown, it's not rock science. Hell, for that matter, it's not even rocket science!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

He should at least be able to learn and execute a handful of plays. Like you said firstdown, it's not rock science. Hell, for that matter, it's not even rocket science!

Well I've thought back more often about Davis' retarded episode of missing practice as a rookie because he slept in or whatever. For all we know this kid has all the talent in the world but is also high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide. Pretty hard to say at this point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

I'm sorry but that BS. This guy was a stud at USC and they run an offense that is as close to a pro offense as it gets. I'm blaming the coaches as much as I'm blaming Davis. I'm sure he can remember 5 red zone plays.

[calia]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sorry but that BS. This guy was a stud at USC and they run an offense that is as close to a pro offense as it gets. I'm blaming the coaches as much as I'm blaming Davis. I'm sure he can remember 5 red zone plays.

Or, if he can't. he never will. With 5 preseason games (plus 11 regular season = 16 games), minicamp, etc., these guys have all had Zorn's playbook since June. No excuse for not knowing it. Now I grant that there can be a difference between knowing the plays and having them become second nature so that you don't need to think about them -- you execute. But they've had the playbook for 6 months now and this is what they do for a living!! Anyone out there have a job where 6 months of intense study and practice and poor execution would be tolerated?