JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

[Counter-Tre]

Originally Posted by redskins4lif

I think they should bring all 4 of the corners back next year if they can and start hall and rogers and have springs rotate with horton at saftey and some corner next year if he would do that

What he said.

[dmek25]

Smoot is the only corner that needs to go. Rogers is probably our second best cover guy, behind Springs. i say no way

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Smoot is the only corner that needs to go. Rogers is probably our second best cover guy, behind Springs. i say no way

Might as well keep Springs, he is too old to really trade. Still he needs to be replaced as a starter regardless.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Might as well keep Springs, he is too old to really trade. Still he needs to be replaced as a starter regardless.

As much as I like Springs, I doubt we keep a 34 year old injury-prone corner who carries an $8M cap figure.

[WaldSkins]

If we get rid of him VC should be fired. We let Smoot(when he was good) walk in the 2005 off season which forced us to draft a CB as we passed on Merriman,Ware,Spears, Tuck. If we were to let him go three years later after drafting him then VC should get axed.

[MeanEvilSkin]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

If we get rid of him VC should be fired. We let Smoot(when he was good) walk in the 2005 off season which forced us to draft a CB as we passed on Merriman,Ware,Spears, Tuck. If we were to let him go three years later after drafting him then VC should get axed.

Add this to the list of reasons why Vinnie must go.

[MeanEvilSkin]

I wonder if he team is considering ths because they feel they have a good shot at Ashmouga? Maybe D.Hall has been talking to him?

....out on the thin ice on this one.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by MeanEvilSkin

I wonder if he team is considering ths because they feel they have a good shot at Ashmouga? Maybe D.Hall has been talking to him?

....out on the thin ice on this one.

I used to be in Ashmouga bandwagon, but after watching some defense players playing on other teams after leaving Raiders; most of time they tend not to do well.. Raiders' defense is different from other teams, which raise some concerns how well Ashmouga will do in different schemes.. At last that's what I'm thinking?

[MTK]

I'm really not surprised. His inability to hold on to INTs has hurt us time and time again. He'll never be an elite player with those stone hands.

[GTripp0012]

I have a real problem with the way Blache coaches his side of the ball. Basically, he plays favorites. That's bad high school coach crap.

There's no doubt that Gregg Williams built something really special here in four seasons, and while our unit wasn't bad by any means this year, it declined significantly as the year went on and we added more pieces (both through the market and returning from injury).

So if the further away from Williams we get, the worse we get, what is that really saying for Blache?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have a real problem with the way Blache coaches his side of the ball. Basically, he plays favorites. That's bad high school coach crap.

There's no doubt that Gregg Williams built something really special here in four seasons, and while our unit wasn't bad by any means this year, it declined significantly as the year went on and we added more pieces.

So if the further away from Williams we get, the worse we get, what is that really saying for Blache?

You don't think GW played favorites just a bit with the whole Arrington fiasco?

As far as adding pieces, we added Jason Taylor who was hampered by injuries all year, Horton who played great as a rookie, Hall who at least held on to some INTs, and that's about it for the D.

I'm not sure if scheme is more to blame or what, but in my eyes what this D really lacks are true play makers and guys that can consistently get after the QB.

[SFREDSKIN]

I would get rid of Smoot, try to re-negotiate with Springs and sign Rogers and Hall to modest contracts. If that's not possible, I would resign Rogers instead of Hall. Rogers despite dropping passes has had a solid season in coverage, Hall I don't trust and is equal in talent to Rogers (not as good in coverage but gets the INT's). I'm not surprised that Rogers will be used as bait coming of a great season and having Hall to sign as his replacement.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You don't think GW played favorites just a bit with the whole Arrington fiasco?

As far as adding pieces, we added Jason Taylor who was hampered by injuries all year, Horton who played great as a rookie, Hall who at least held on to some INTs, and that's about it for the D.

I'm not sure if scheme is more to blame or what, but in my eyes what this D really lacks are true play makers and guys that can consistently get after the QB.

Okay, great point about Arrington. I guess I'm more biased towards Williams because when he made an example out of Arrington, he used it as a coaching technique to get players to buy into his scheme. When Blache benches his best cover corner and complementary pass rusher, it doesn't seem to have the same purpose. We just get worse as a unit.

And I'm fully acknologing that we were better with Arrington in the lineup than on the bench.

Williams was able to get more out of his defensive line than Blache has without taking any guys out of pass coverage by ultimately letting talent be talent. Blache goes very control-freak on his defensive line, making them play ultra-disciplined (which is obviously a philosophical thing, since his a DL guy), then decides to try to force the QB to make quick decisions by running ineffective blitzes, and then he scapegoats Rogers for his ineffective bullshit.

I like a lot of what Blache did this year, but regardless of what I think he does well, I'm starting to realize that he's just a bad coach. Independant of scheme and stuff (which is a seperate fault). He's just bad for the players, bad for talent evaluation, bad for the Washington Redskins. I just think that goes beyond what he does well and poorly on gameday, that he too often sets us up for failure, and we won't always have the talent to overcome it like we do now.

And yeah, it's an opinion that I might be totally wrong on, but that's the vibe I'm getting.

I agree with you on one big thing, we need a big-time defensive playmaker who excels in all three phases of defense: pass rush, pass coverage, and run defense.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have a real problem with the way Blache coaches his side of the ball. Basically, he plays favorites. That's bad high school coach crap.

Didn't Blache learn that FROM Williams?

[GTripp0012]

And while DeAngelo Hall seems like a fine addition for the price, he is who he is: a high completion percentage corner who makes his living off of intercepting bad throws, and preventing first downs with his ungodly closing speed. I mean, his numbers this season are nearly identical to Springs: just fine in coverage, but he's an easy completion whenever a QB wants one. He's not going to break up any passes.

Hall also has clear effort issues. Sometimes, when he allows a completion, he won't go and make the tackle, rather relying on his teammates to do it.

But, I guess that's worth more to this team than Rogers. Well, at least will have an improved offense next year.