Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Campbells got a great arm and great legs, other than that, he's not good. Surprised no ones mentioned the true successor, Brennan...

why does everyone love Colt? He may indeed be good, but remember when Spurrier's offense what "tearing it up" in the 2nd half of pre-season games then went on to do 0 when it counted? Campbell is solid, and made strides last season, he's got 1 more to demonstrate that he's the undeniable future, otherwise, its open compeition in 2010.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not even sure I can respond to such a silly comment. Derrick Anderson, Tavaris Jackson, Kyle Orton and Shawn Hill are guys that I would say are not good NFL QB's. With that being said how can you sit there and say JC is terrible?? He's not top tier but in no way shape or form is he terrible.

Yeah I don't know either. At this point it's almost comical. Nothing starts up more "interesting" discussion than QB talk around here.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I don't know either. At this point it's almost comical. Nothing starts up more "interesting" discussion than QB talk around here.

JC isn't bad at all, but he is average, and average rarely gets you anywhere in the playoffs or to the playoffs for that matter. JC or Brennan, it doesn't matter, the next 2-3 seasons are going to be average with us hovering just over or below .500. We need to correct a lot of deficiencies and no matter who is QB, we are going to be a substandard team til they are corrected.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

JC isn't bad at all, but he is average, and average rarely gets you anywhere in the playoffs or to the playoffs for that matter. JC or Brennan, it doesn't matter, the next 2-3 seasons are going to be average with us hovering just over or below .500. We need to correct a lot of deficiencies and no matter who is QB, we are going to be a substandard team til they are corrected.

Below average gets you to the playoffs if you have a legitimate top five defense and a strong running game that opponents absolutely have to respect.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

We need to correct a lot of deficiencies and no matter who is QB, we are going to be a substandard team til they are corrected.

Agreed, but don't undersell the fact that the solutions might be in house, which would result in a lightning quick turnaround if true.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Agreed, but don't undersell the fact that the solutions might be in house, which would result in a lightning quick turnaround if true.

I agree. The D is fine and would play much better if the O was half-way decent and actually gave the D the lead to play with every once in a while.

With better coaching and leadership, the Skins could be much improved with a better O line, Running back(s) and a new QB, although they could get by with JC for a few more years while they groom someone else. They could get this debacle turned around in a year or two.

[44ever]

anyone got a spare lock for this thread?

[SkinzzFan]

These threads are starting to give me tired head!! Campbell is our starting QB...no one had a problem with the dude when the Skins were 6-2. In fact, alot of folks were singing his praise and saying "I was wrong about him". The slide began when the O-line got hurt and started struggling. Not to mention it was the first season in the WCO which is very different from the Gibbs/Saunders fighting-each-other-to-find-an-identity offensive system. I think that's being overlooked way too much. It does make a difference. Jason just needs to be in the same system for a few years. The guy has changed offenses more than most of us change our underwear (I personally don't wear any). Perhaps we're reading too much of what JLC (the Campbell Soup Oompa Loompa Kid) and other Skins-haters in the media are saying.

Stay the course for the next 2-3 seasons and see where we're at then. Change for the sake of change hasn't worked over the last 17 years. I don't see it being a formula for success moving forward either. I'm tired of being disappointed every year too, but I'd really like to see a consistent contender on the field and we can have that unless we have continuity.

HAIL!!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

These threads are starting to give me tired head!! Campbell is our starting QB...no one had a problem with the dude when the Skins were 6-2. In fact, alot of folks were singing his praise and saying "I was wrong about him". The slide began when the O-line got hurt and started struggling. Not to mention it was the first season in the WCO which is very different from the Gibbs/Saunders fighting-each-other-to-find-an-identity offensive system. I think that's being overlooked way too much. It does make a difference. Jason just needs to be in the same system for a few years. The guy has changed offenses more than most of us change our underwear (I personally don't wear any). Perhaps we're reading too much of what JLC (the Campbell Soup Oompa Loompa Kid) and other Skins-haters in the media are saying.

Stay the course for the next 2-3 seasons and see where we're at then. Change for the sake of change hasn't worked over the last 17 years. I don't see it being a formula for success moving forward either. I'm tired of being disappointed every year too, but I'd really like to see a consistent contender on the field and we can have that unless we have continuity.

HAIL!!

A little to much information but a good post nonetheless. Unfortunately you can repeat this until you're blue in the face and some people will still refuse to take into account 1. Our o-line sucked the 2nd half of the season, which coincides with Campbell's fall in production. It also affected Portis's production and the run game became less of a factor 2. That we were installing the WCO, which every QB who has ever played it says it takes at LEAST 2 years to become efficient in it. 3. Our receivers dropped balls and ran incorrect routes. Under these exact same circumstances, Brady would'nt of had a good year.

[GTripp0012]

I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season. Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season. Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.

Last word, 'nuff said, case closed!
Your cool, this thread sucks, Skins 4ever...I'm out!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season. Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.

Right, and if he does he probably won't be back, and we better hope Colt is ready. And if he does prove to be the QB we want him to be, we're going to have to fork over some big bucks to keep him.

[skinsnut]

Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.

Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.

Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).