Redskins hire offensive consultant

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Another set of eyes can't hurt.

Wouldn't hurt to have another mouth into the headset

or a replacement one that is

[47FAN]

is holmgren getting his staff ready for next year? possibly keep zorn for qb coach?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

is holmgren getting his staff ready for next year? possibly keep zorn for qb coach?

don't think an HC, even perhaps undeserved of the hire, would stay on for such a demotion

[skinsfan69]

well he may have been out of football a while be his resume is better than the head coaches and the oc so I'm glad he's here. if holmgren was behind it then so be it.

[firstdown]

You guys act like Holmgren is sitting up an DS office.

[47FAN]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You guys act like Holmgren is sitting up an DS office.

maybe we will all be guessing untill the last game of the season (maybe sooner if we dont improve)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You guys act like Holmgren is sitting up an DS office.

He may not be sitting up in his office but I bet if you looked through Snyder's cell phone, Holmgren's # has been dialed a few times.

[70Chip]

I really wish we could go 5 minutes without Snyderatto trying to "fix" things. The Redskins are composed completely now of all their various "fixes". How many times have they gone fishing for a RB after the season is underway? It' absurd. I know it's hard to accept when you have control issues, but there's nothing you can do about it now. So stifle yourselves.

Also remember, The Two Bobs came to the conclusion that MANAGEMENT was the real problem. I just wish the Redskins had TPS reports to tie down Vinny so he couldn't engage in these monkeyshines.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I really wish we could go 5 minutes without Snyderatto trying to "fix" things. The Redskins are composed completely now of all their various "fixes". How many times have they gone fishing for a RB after the season is underway? It' absurd. I know it's hard to accept when you have control issues, but there's nothing you can do about it now. So stifle yourselves.

Also remember, The Two Bobs came to the conclusion that MANAGEMENT was the real problem. I just wish the Redskins had TPS reports to tie down Vinny so he couldn't engage in these monkeyshines.

Ok, now I'm confused? People complain that the offense is horrible and needs to be fixed. Snyder gives Zorn what...19 games to fix the issues and we are not getting any better. He calls in a consultant to look at maybe the playcalls, when there being called, maybe the look at the WR and see if he can't get anything out of Kelly/Thomas/and maybe Mitchell.

and now we are going to complain that Snyder is meddling again? Help me out here, I would assume the Zorn experement is just about over and Snyder is trying one last thing to spark this so called " Scoring Machine" that Zorn was going to bring to the table. This guys has been in San Fran at the beginning of the WCO. He practically bailed out Holmgren in GB when he was brought in. He's helped out Shanahan and I thought I heard on the radio he helped out Dennis Green. This guy is the Zampese of the WCO and now we want to get upset. OK.

[Trample the Elderly]

Yeah whatever! This reminds me of when they brought in Al Saunders. When they start winning games with authority I'll drink the Kool Aid. Until then I'm going unleaded.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, now I'm confused? People complain that the offense is horrible and needs to be fixed. Snyder gives Zorn what...19 games to fix the issues and we are not getting any better. He calls in a consultant to look at maybe the playcalls, when there being called, maybe the look at the WR and see if he can't get anything out of Kelly/Thomas/and maybe Mitchell.

and now we are going to complain that Snyder is meddling again? Help me out here, I would assume the Zorn experement is just about over and Snyder is trying one last thing to spark this so called " Scoring Machine" that Zorn was going to bring to the table. This guys has been in San Fran at the beginning of the WCO. He practically bailed out Holmgren in GB when he was brought in. He's helped out Shanahan and I thought I heard on the radio he helped out Dennis Green. This guy is the Zampese of the WCO and now we want to get upset. OK.

I think think in the big picture, this is a decent move. If nothing else, it officially puts Zorn on notice that he needs to get his act together, now, the team can afford to replace him. The ONLY chance Zorn has of saving his job (until the end of the year at least) is to win the next 3 games with solid offensive performances, no dumb play calls, and overall improvement shown each week. Anything less (and that includes a close loss to the panthers [90% certainty], a win over the chiefs [also a 90% certainty], and an impressive win over the eagles on MNF [i'd say 80% certainty given the fact Zorns job will be on the line]), and Zorn is out.

[#56fanatic]

if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.

Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, so we'll count you in as an "It's all the players fault for not exicuting" person.

and a Danny is a "Scumbag" person.

Zorn won't say shove it cause if he does DS doesn't have to pay him but if DS fires him he still has to pay him. I don't think Zorn is that stupid about his money. It's ruining his rep if he had one but I'm not even sure he had one. He was a QB coach. Only 2 times has it worked out in the past.....Andy Reid, and Gruden.

I am not one of the "its all the players fault for not exicuting" person. I never even said that. My point was if two catches were made, the offensive questions wouldn't be near as bad as they are. I blame Zorn for some calls he makes, players for the lack of execution, its across the board. My reason for the post was to vent about how Snyder is putting his nose into crap that he shouldn't. again, what confidence now does the team have in Zorn, if the owner has basically put the writing on the wall that he is out. How does that create a winning attitude? I was being sarcastic regarding the "shove it" comment. Of course he'd be a jackass to quit, I just wish Dan would stay out of this stuff. He hired the guy (nothing more that a QB coach) so let the guy coach and let the guy try and right the ship. which at the beginning of the season I'd say 99% of us had the team at 3-1, were 2-2 right now, its not the time to undermine the damn head coach. Dan Snyder is a control freak, its ridiculous guys. I am sure he wants to win as bad as any of us, but honestly he has as much knowledge in running a football team as you or I. Just because he is a billionare doesn't make him a "football" expert.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

if you are suprised by this move, then obviously you dont know Dan Snyder. This is a move to undermine his coach and the coaches staff. What confidence now does the team have in what Zorn is saying?? its absolutely a joke. You dont go and get "another set of eyes" after 4 games, when we are 2-2. I know our offense hasn't been great, but if two passes the week against the rams we caught (sellers and Thomas) we aren't having the discussions. If Zorn (who has been in football all most as long as snyder has had hair on his body) wanted it fine, but we all know he didn't. What the hell does Dan know about football?! NOTHING! This goes back to Norv when he won the division, and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Danny boy goes out and gets a bunch of overhyped premadonnas that have no respect for anyone but the check and the season goes to crap, ruining the chemisty Norv had built. He gets fired at 7-6 or whatever the record was at the time (when we are in the middle of fighting for the wild card) and Danny never takes blame for any of that. Then we go to Marty..who finished 8-3 over the last 11 games. Has our roster looking good, draft in place and because he wouldn't give back the power Danny gave him...BOOM...he is gone. Which brings us to spurier, he never had a shot to begin with, all though during the first season I thought he was going to be pretty good. Then we have Gibbs who brought us back to some sort of respectability and what happens when he goes...BOOM.. Danny blows it all up by showing GW the door when everyone in that organization, except tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, wanted him as the coach. The two jackasses we have running our team will never learn and we will never have a team that is decent as long as Danny thinks he knows two shits about football. If I was Zorn, I would have told him to shove it up his ass. You can tell by some of the quotes that no one wants Lewis here nor do they think we need him. I personally want Zorn to work out BIG TIME, I am tired of a new coach every two years, new coordinators every two years, new roster every two years. No good organization is ever built this way.

Very well said 56fanatic, and I feel your frustration as a DIE HARD REDSKINS FAN