93 MEGA Mock Munch: Suh Consensus choice, Bradford leads to Redskins

[Daseal]

So SS, you don't think a QB such as Pike in the 2nd is a possibility?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

So SS, you don't think a QB such as Pike in the 2nd is a possibility?

At the top of the second, Pike seems like a huge reach. He's a good, solid quarterback prospect with tools, and there's a lot to like about him, but he seems to profile as an NFL backup. I see a little bit of Tom Brady there, but for every instance that Brady got lucky enough to play early and develop into one of the better quarterbacks in NFL history (fulfilling all his potential), there were thirty or forty other possible routes that could have led to Brady being a career backup, or a worthless starter.

Pike could be an all-time great, I think, but I would not just take him in the second and hope nothing goes wrong on his development. He's nowhere near a finished product for a 23 year old, and that means career backup in about 85% of QB prospects.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

So SS, you don't think a QB such as Pike in the 2nd is a possibility?

I mean I guess it is. But my own somewhat educated guess say OT and/or LB is more likely in the 2nd round (and possibly 3rd if we get one). With QB and RB being in the 1st and 4th, or vice-versa.

I'll have more concrete info after the combine I'm sure. Last year it was pretty apparent form the start that Cushing, Rey Rey, and Orakpo were at the top of their list. This year it's not as clear.

[CultBrennan59]

Redskins Insider - Malcolm Kelly gives his thoughts on Sam Bradford

Malcolm Kelly's take on us getting Sam Bradford.

[Kalisto2010]

According to ESPN the Rams are developing a growing interest in Sam Bradford. With the Rams recently being sold to Shahid Kahn I'm positive he's salivating for a franchise QB. Out of the last 5 years, the Rams have drafted 2-O-lineman, and 2 DE's. And the team has only gotten worse. So I don't think Suh will be their first pick. So it would make sense for them to draft a franchise QB with their coveted first pick. I hope they draft Bradford, that means we'll get JC, don't get it confused with Jason Campbell.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

According to ESPN the Rams are developing a growing interest in Sam Bradford. With the Rams recently being sold to Shahid Kahn I'm positive he's salivating for a franchise QB. Out of the last 5 years, the Rams have drafted 2-O-lineman, and 2 DE's. And the team has only gotten worse. So it would make sense for them draft a franchise QB with their coveted first pick. I hope they draft Bradford, that means we'll get JC, don't get it confused with Jason Campbell.

The Rams are a team I could see actually taking Colt in the 2nd round. Bradford's certainly a possibility though

I could see them trading for Vick though and drafting Colt to be their guy in 2011/12

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Rams are a team I could see actually taking Colt in the 2nd round. Bradford's certainly a possibility though

I could see them trading for Vick though and drafting Colt to be their guy in 2011/12

SS, I've said before that if Bradford falls to #4, we may have some suitors to trade down and get more picks. Do you think the same may happen if Bradford is gone and Clausen is there at #4?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

SS, I've said before that if Bradford falls to #4, we may have some suitors to trade down and get more picks. Do you think the same may happen if Bradford is gone and Clausen is there at #4?

I suppose so. I think a team like Buffalo would be just as likely to trade up for Clausen as Bradford.

What happens at the combine will be huge

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I suppose so. I think a team like Buffalo would be just as likely to trade up for Clausen as Bradford.

What happens at the combine will be huge

basically

although next week when we have 2,053 mocks munched maybe we will know something

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

SS, I've said before that if Bradford falls to #4, we may have some suitors to trade down and get more picks. Do you think the same may happen if Bradford is gone and Clausen is there at #4?

Yes ....he is maybe better than Bradford if anything. both are comparable I think the difference is Bradford more leadership and maturity and accuracy vs Clausen better mobility, quicker throw on and in the throw, great fade throws, HUGE STUDYING RAT.


Both are worth a 4th round pick. Okung is an overrated OT and I wouldn't pick him if my life depend on it, he gets killed against big bull rushing DE's.

Trent Cole-Justin Tuck- Dware would chew him up.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Yes ....he is maybe better than Bradford if anything. both are comparable I think the difference is Bradford more leadership and maturity and accuracy vs Clausen better mobility, quicker throw on and in the throw, great fade throws, HUGE STUDYING RAT.


Both are worth a 4th round pick. Okung is an overrated OT and I wouldn't pick him if my life depend on it, he gets killed against big bull rushing DE's.

Trent Cole-Justin Tuck- Dware would chew him up.

If anything Okung is becoming underrated at this point. The only overrated tackle that I see right now is Anthony Davis. As soon as I here that a guy is given a first round grade and it's based mainly on upside rather then production I see a HUGE red flag. Upside is why the Bills select Aaron Maybin instead of Brian Orakpo.

Upside is why Heyward-Bey gets selected ahead of Crabtree and why some team is going to be very disapointed when they select Jason Piere-Paul (DE USF) with his whooping 6 sacks but amazing edge speed.

If you can't produce at the collegiate level then you shouldn't be considered a first round pick thanks to measureables. Save the non-productive superfreaks for round 3 and beyond.

By the way pet peeve of mine but it's a 4th overall pick not a 4th round pick. Otherwise the NFL draft would be 256 rounds.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Rams are a team I could see actually taking Colt in the 2nd round. Bradford's certainly a possibility though

I could see them trading for Vick though and drafting Colt to be their guy in 2011/12

With Vick at QB it would be 2011 at the latest.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

According to ESPN the Rams are developing a growing interest in Sam Bradford. With the Rams recently being sold to Shahid Kahn I'm positive he's salivating for a franchise QB. Out of the last 5 years, the Rams have drafted 2-O-lineman, and 2 DE's. And the team has only gotten worse. So I don't think Suh will be their first pick. So it would make sense for them to draft a franchise QB with their coveted first pick. I hope they draft Bradford, that means we'll get JC, don't get it confused with Jason Campbell.

What chu say?

But yeah I agree. The idea that there are safe positions at the top of the draft is faulty logic at best Robert Gallery was suppose to be one of the best Tackles of the decade. Chris Long still has time to develop but he hasn't had nearly the type of impact that people expected. I don't know exactly how Jason Smith did last year but the little I did hear about him wasn't exactly positive.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

SS, I've said before that if Bradford falls to #4, we may have some suitors to trade down and get more picks. Do you think the same may happen if Bradford is gone and Clausen is there at #4?

The thing is on the angle that they would be targeting for McCoy and Brown (my inside source filled me in on this ) that the #4 pick is way to high for either of them. Ideally you would want a last first and early second to insure you get both of them. Brown being the late first pick.

I'm not totally sold on McCoy yet but on the surface he's got two of the things that a lot of successful NFL QB's had in college. A LOT of starts and a very high completion percentage. According to KC Joyner those are two very consistent predictors of success at the next level.

[CultBrennan59]

I think the rams, if they do go QB will go with Clausen, he ran an offense like the rams in college, and the rams may not want to invest the first overall pick in bradford.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I think the rams, if they do go QB will go with Clausen, he ran an offense like the rams in college, and the rams may not want to invest the first overall pick in bradford.

Why not, they have invested in an offensive line, and have a good running game. Their defense is not that great, but I believe they are pretty young on that side of the ball. Given that the QB free agency market is not the best, I case see why this would be an option for St. Louis.