Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i dont know how anyone can really have a firm idea of what we have in colt yet. i havent seen nearly enough of him to make a call heads or tails (and this should be laid at the coaching staff's feet - for 2 years now we dont know what we have in a player yet? really?)

i would like to see him start a pre-season game. for teams with qb situation like ours, whats the point in starting a JC or garrard or edwards or smith all 4 preseason games . . .its not like 1 half of PS football is going to be that missing one half that effected the starters ability to gel.

This is exactly my issue. I'm not neccissarily a CB fan but I too would like to see him start a preseason game with actual starters against actual starters. As a lot of you guys say there is a big difference between starters with actual talent and what some of you like to call 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This is exactly my issue. I'm not neccissarily a CB fan but I too would like to see him start a preseason game with actual starters against actual starters. As a lot of you guys say there is a big difference between starters with actual talent and what some of you like to call 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers.

Me too. Put him with the first string guys and see how he does. If he fails he fails, what have we got to lose?

[CultBrennan59]

I could see Colt, if he were to be cut here, in Arizona, he reminds me a little bit of Kurt Warner, thats why I could see that happening. But lets give him a shot here with the first teamers before we throw him away/give up on him so soon.

[redskins202]

I would give Colt Brennan a chance over Jason Campbell . Jason Campbell is a loser but if we choose to trade back or pick up an LT with our 4th pick than I would give Brennan a chance. Can't let go off a guy without giving him a chance.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I would give Colt Brennan a chance over Jason Campbell . Jason Campbell is a loser but if we choose to trade back or pick up an LT with our 4th pick than I would give Brennan a chance. Can't let go off a guy without giving him a chance.

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

Based on the fact that he hasn't taken us to the playoffs, isn't a good QB, and started 16 games for us last year and only won 4 of them.

[Son Of Man]

I have always liked Brennan and would love if he developed into a solid starting QB for the B&G. However, the knocks on him coming out of college were; inadequate arm strength, lackluster opponents at the Univ of Hawaii, spread offense, immaturity and a less than ideal work ethic. The spread offense concern may have been corrected from his time in the NFL, but alot of that time was lost rehabbing injuries his first two seasons. I beleive his percieved lack of arm strength could be more attributed to poor lower body conditioning and form (would also explain the twice injured hip area). And I hope the immaturity and work ethic concerns are incorrect.

The perceived advantage Bradford has over Brennan is his intangibles, size, and slightly higher arm strength. Same for McCoy, except he and Brennan are of similar size. Clausen is viewed as the most "pre-ready" due to his college system and the Weis factor but, he has immaturity and personality concerns as well.

Brennan, in my opinion, deserves a FAIR shot at the starting QB job. But I would not be suprised if he is jettisoned due durability concerns (injured both of his first two years). The 2010 draft will tell us alot about the FO's opinion of Brennan. (I'm secretly pulling for him. If he can be to the B&G what he was for Hawaii then we could have a great piece at the QB to build around).

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Based on the fact that he hasn't taken us to the playoffs, isn't a good QB, and started 16 games for us last year and only won 4 of them.

He's the reason we won 4 games alright...we were a 1 or 2-win team without him. He put up good stats with no line and was taking a huge beating every week. A team with no offensive line or running game won't make the playoffs with ANYONE at QB. You can't put any (or much) blame about 4-12 on Campbell, he's one of the few players who actually tried in all 16 games and put up respectable numbers despite his team.

The O-line argument is very valid. If you were actually paying attention, you'd see him getting hit before dropping back even 3 steps a lot of the time. He couldn't make good decisions when he didn't have time to do anything. You'd see a center who can't snap the ball into his hands from the shotgun formation. Even when not getting hit, his linemen didn't know how to keep the defenders from batting the ball for INTs and defensive TDs.

Campbell's not our new Jurgenson, Kilmer or Theisman, but he's far better than he gets credit for. He showed a ton of toughness and leadership last season and kept us in most games all by himself. With a 4-12 record, we weren't blown out of games at all. He brought us back on many occasions. We nearly beat the Saints thanks to him and lost thanks to Suisham.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Buster

He's the reason we won 4 games alright...we were a 1 or 2-win team without him. He put up good stats with no line and was taking a huge beating every week. A team with no offensive line or running game won't make the playoffs with ANYONE at QB. You can't put any (or much) blame about 4-12 on Campbell, he's one of the few players who actually tried in all 16 games and put up respectable numbers despite his team.

The O-line argument is very valid. If you were actually paying attention, you'd see him getting hit before dropping back even 3 steps a lot of the time. He couldn't make good decisions when he didn't have time to do anything. You'd see a center who can't snap the ball into his hands from the shotgun formation. Even when not getting hit, his linemen didn't know how to keep the defenders from batting the ball for INTs and defensive TDs.

Campbell's not our new Jurgenson, Kilmer or Theisman, but he's far better than he gets credit for. He showed a ton of toughness and leadership last season and kept us in most games all by himself. With a 4-12 record, we weren't blown out of games at all. He brought us back on many occasions. We nearly beat the Saints thanks to him and lost thanks to Suisham.

Did you ever look at the flip side and say that Jason made our OL look bad by HOLDING ONTO THE BALL TOO LONG??? Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger behind our OL and I gurantee you we win more games. It's the QB thats the problem, then the OL. JC has no pocket awareness what so ever. Quit backing him up, he sucks, get over it, end of arguement.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

His 19-32 record( sad to say its a record despite his players .)

His stats are overrated. Do you really believe he deserves a 100.QB rating in the MNF eagles game that ended up blowing us out?. OR his 77% COMP rating in week one of the Giants?. See what I'm saying.


And don't bring up all the OL excuse, this kid doesn't read the defense, read the blitz,coverages ,etc. Portis made that loud and clear for a reason. And JC is very inaccurate in big down the field plays and is not a Shanahan type. A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by redskins202

A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now and Bradford is nowhere even close to being worth the 4th pick. He isn't worth a first round pick, much less 4th overall.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now and Bradford is nowhere even close to being worth the 4th pick. He isn't worth a first round pick, much less 4th overall.

Your Bradford analysis is off base. Bradford is 6-4 with well above average release and arm strength. There are questions about his transition to a pro style offense, but he has the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB which is why he will be drafted in the top 10 in April. To toss him in a barrel with Colt Brennan who was barely even drafted is not even close to acurate.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now an

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How is that BS???? isn't a Jay Cutler- Bret Favre type of QB is the type of QB he likes?.



Jake Plummer was one.
Brian Grieseses was sorta kinda one but he was un-afraid of things.
Jay Cutler was one
John Elway was one
-Steve Young (when his days at 49ers as an OC) was one.

How is that BS?. Shanahan favorite QB and fan of is Bret Favre. If Bret Favre was released today he would pick him ip ASAP.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway..

Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese, might disagree with you

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

His 19-32 record( sad to say its a record despite his players .)

His stats are overrated. Do you really believe he deserves a 100.QB rating in the MNF eagles game that ended up blowing us out?. OR his 77% COMP rating in week one of the Giants?. See what I'm saying.


And don't bring up all the OL excuse, this kid doesn't read the defense, read the blitz,coverages ,etc. Portis made that loud and clear for a reason. And JC is very inaccurate in big down the field plays and is not a Shanahan type. A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

So you want a QB that leads the league in INTs like Cutler? And I guess you weren't around when everyone was criticizing Favre and how his "gunslinger" attitude cost them the NO game.