Am I crazy?

[Duffman003]

Why are there so many people in love with Tim Hasselback? He's 26 years old and hasn't shown more than Ramsey. Ramsey is the future of the organization and will probably be quarterback by the end of this year or the begininng of next year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

Why are there so many people in love with Tim Hasselback? He's 26 years old and hasn't shown more than Ramsey. Ramsey is the future of the organization and will probably be quarterback by the end of this year or the begininng of next year.

LOL, no idea whatsoever. He's a very average player in my opinion. Everyone always loves the backups though, probably because they haven't had a chance to screw up.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of these Dan Snyder era, and that will take time and the perception of being stubborn....

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of this Dan Snyder era Redskins, and that will take time...Dan did all the wrong things for 5 years and its not going to be fixed in one....

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by gortiz

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of this Dan Snyder era Redskins, and that will take time...Dan did all the wrong things for 5 years and its not going to be fixed in one....

One question. If Ramsey is the future, as Gibbs and everyone on this board seems to agree, wouldn't that make Brunell the quick fix?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

I agree with your basic point Matty, and I think under these circumstances its appropriate for Gibbs to be cut some slack. But the problem remains, what's up with the qb situation. And no matter how bad its been, or how unrealistic our expectations were for this year (I still am not convinced they were unrealistic...If we had the offense we should expect with this team, we would be en route to 11-5), or how much work still needs to be done, there remains the inexplicability of playing a qb who is widely understood to be pretty much all washed up. And no amount of superbowl rings or losing seasons in the past makes me able to accept playing Brunell. And that's where the skepticism comes from I think. If we were 3-5 with a mediocre give up defense, but with a stable QB situation, I can guarantee no one would criticize Gibbs.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by Shane

Joe Gibbs is a remarkable man. He knows how to lead, he has a wonderful sense of how to motivate people, his intelligence and football acumen is brilliant, his heart sets a shining example of what we are supposed to be like as human beings. We are incredibly fortunate to have Gibbs here

The whole comparison of Gibbs to Spurrier due to the results so far is just such a shallow analysis. Yes, as Doc Walker put it, the cancer has been very deep in Redskin land for many years now, and half a season isn't going to root it all out. But the attitude is totally different and the foundation for the future is being built. You have to think long term here, but I know that is too much to ask of many impatient souls.

Gibbs has stayed with Brunell because he has seen that Brunell isn't the primary source of the problem; he sees the whole situation as a system with a lot of complicated reasons as to why it hasn't been working well, one of them being Brunell's often struggling play. Also, Ramsey has not been ready to play with the new offensive scheme, and is not mobile enough to handle the pass rush that teams have been able to get on us at times. When it is clear that changing to Ramsey is going to give us a better shot to win, Gibbs will change.

It is not a matter of being stubborn, it is a matter of seeing a bigger picture. The lack of clear improvement from Brunell however bodes poorly for him, and I think that if Ramsey has gotten more comfortable, he may play against Philadelphia.

I have faith in Joe Gibbs as being the coach who will create a better spiritual environment than any other in all of professional sports, and that will lead to success on the field without doubt. You can enjoy the road to success and how a successful team is built, or you can demand we win now and keep shuffling the deck like we have for the past 5 or 6 years, and never build anything that lasts.

Great post Shane.

[CROOKEDSKINS]

gotta trust gibbs he will get the job done

[Daseal]

If it's true that Ramsey doesn't get snaps in practice, like someone said in another thread, then I think Joe Gibbs is completely senile. It's obvious that Mark Brunell is not playing well. You don't need three super-bowls to see that. He talks about how great Patrick Ramsey is and how he's not going anywhere. News flash buddy. Welcome to free agency. I can think of plenty of clubs that want a QB like Ramsey and Brunell's contract could hinder our signing of him, but nothing more than him not seeing game time and being stuck behing a struggling QB.

The rest of the team will soon start resenting him. This is more than just a game to them. It's a job. The defense is used too much and by the 4th quarter they get tired. Not to mention, how much more recognition would our amazing defense have if we had only a couple losses? The whole league would be talking about how great we are! I think their problems are mainly recognition, the other offensive players are the ones with the major gripe. This can affect their next pay-day. When they're not putting up stats because rag-arm can't hit them wide open. They get upset. The line would hold better when they don't stack 9 in the box, because unless we have 3 WRs they play man on, they know who gets the ball.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Daseal, you brought up a good point...As much as I support Gibbs decisions even though I don't agree with them, I am surprised that he doesn't see what the rest of us sees. My point, all the teams we've played know to stack the box against Portis. This stops the running game. Then at the end of the game Gibbs comments on how the O-line was having problems. No shit they're having problems. It's just seems so simple...with Ramsey there is a downfield threat, the defense has to back off, which in turn makes it easier for the O-line. Problem solved. Gibbs can't complain about the O-line now. And all of a sudden Portis doesn't know what to do with all the holes to run through...too many choices (that's just a bonus).

I know it's not that simple...but why not give a go and see what happens. It's not like the fans are going to boo when Ramsey takes the field.

[MTK]

I have faith and more importantly I have patience.