Would Joe Gibbs Be Considered The Greatest Coach If He Won SB 18?

[SmootSmack]

And I guess we're talking retired coaches here. Because if Belichick wins it all again this year...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And I guess we're talking retired coaches here. Because if Belichick wins it all again this year...

He's already 3/4 in SB's. Even if he goes 3-5 I think people would still say he's better than Gibbs. I'm not even going to debate this one, as my knowledge of the Skins teams in the 80's is 1. Great offensive line 2. Great wideouts 3. Great run game some seasons? 4. Solid defense and qb's, and 5th. 3 SB trophies in 4 appearances.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And I guess we're talking retired coaches here. Because if Belichick wins it all again this year...

No one will ever do it with 3 QB's and RB's ever again. Knoll, Belicheck, Johnson, and Landry all won it with the same QB's. Parcells won with two different QB's and two different starting RB's but thats about as close as anyone will get. Though I must admit if Parcells hadn't jumped around so much trying to rebuild every cellar dweller he could get his hands on he easily could have been the undisputed greatest head coach ever.

[12thMan]

I think it's hard to compare different coaches from different eras. But I think Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh were the greatest during their time; before free agency took it's hold on the league. I tellya, watching the Hogs and those teams was a thing of beauty. If a team beat the Skins back then it was beause they were stocked with talent and extremely well coached. Oh, and RFK was one of the most feared places to play in the NFL. We knew that if there was a playoff game at RFK, it was pretty much a wrap. Gibbs would have players practicing in the cold weather, rain, sleet, snow...or whatever. When you think abou it, it's crazy how they pamper these guys today. Totally different league now.

Someone look up Gibbs' playoff record at RFK. I'm betting his winning percentage was somewhere in the high 700s percentile.

I think when it's all said and done though, Belichick will go down as one of the greatest.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

When you think abou it, it's crazy how they pamper these guys today. Totally different league now.

Certainly becomes more understandable when you see how old school football results in guys that can't even go to the bathroom themselves or in some cases remember the names of their kids. I've seen guys that were career backups with obvious physical ailments weather it be a limp or the inability to keep their back straight. This game as much as we love it really does come with a high price for many who play it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think when it's all said and done though, Belichick will go down as one of the greatest.

I think Belichick is an absolutely amazing coach. Best of this era without question.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think Belichick is an absolutely amazing coach. Best of this era without question.

X 2. However having a QB that can throw the ball like Brady doesn't hurt. But no question Hoodie is a great coach.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

X 2. However having a QB that can throw the ball like Brady doesn't hurt. But no question Hoodie is a great coach.

Sure. I mean who is Bill Walsh without Young and Montana? Who is Chuck Knoll without Bradshaw? Jimmy Johnson without Aikman? Ummm, Shanahan without Elway?

All the coaching legends have great players. I think one thing that really stands out about Gibbs is winning three Super Bowls with three totally unspectacular quarterbacks.

There's just something about the Patriot way. I mean, how often in today's pro sports world do you see guys taking less money to play somewhere? And the way everyone buys into his system, the way he brings along young players year after year... I love coach Gibbs, but in the free agent era, Belichick is far and away the best coach we've seen. IMO it's not even close. He's amazing. I don't care if he's a douche. All the haters can kiss his rings.

I've always been a Tom Brady fan (doesn't hurt that I can't stand the Jets), and I'm pulling for them down the stretch. My mom is from right outside of Pittsburgh, so a big slice of my extended family are big Steelers fans. It would be great to see another Pats-Steelers AFC championship game.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Sure. I mean who is Bill Walsh without Young and Montana? Who is Chuck Knoll without Bradshaw? Jimmy Johnson without Aikman? Ummm, Shanahan without Elway?

All the coaching legends have great players. I think one thing that really stands out about Gibbs is winning three Super Bowls with three totally unspectacular quarterbacks.

There's just something about the Patriot way. I mean, how often in today's pro sports world do you see guys taking less money to play somewhere? And the way everyone buys into his system, the way he brings along young players year after year... I love coach Gibbs, but in the free agent era, Belichick is far and away the best coach we've seen. IMO it's not even close. He's amazing. I don't care if he's a douche. All the haters can kiss his rings.

I've always been a Tom Brady fan (doesn't hurt that I can't stand the Jets), and I'm pulling for them down the stretch. My mom is from right outside of Pittsburgh, so a big slice of my extended family are big Steelers fans. It would be great to see another Pats-Steelers AFC championship game.

That's the difference between them and us. People go there to win and people come here to get paid.

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Sure. I mean who is Bill Walsh without Young and Montana? Who is Chuck Knoll without Bradshaw? Jimmy Johnson without Aikman? Ummm, Shanahan without Elway?

All the coaching legends have great players. I think one thing that really stands out about Gibbs is winning three Super Bowls with three totally unspectacular quarterbacks.

There's just something about the Patriot way. I mean, how often in today's pro sports world do you see guys taking less money to play somewhere? And the way everyone buys into his system, the way he brings along young players year after year... I love coach Gibbs, but in the free agent era, Belichick is far and away the best coach we've seen. IMO it's not even close. He's amazing. I don't care if he's a douche. All the haters can kiss his rings.

I've always been a Tom Brady fan (doesn't hurt that I can't stand the Jets), and I'm pulling for them down the stretch. My mom is from right outside of Pittsburgh, so a big slice of my extended family are big Steelers fans. It would be great to see another Pats-Steelers AFC championship game.

That's the key point. All of the other great coaches, including Belichek, had HOF QBs. Even the great "SB loser" coaches like Bud Grant and Marv Levy had Tarkenton and Kelly who were awesome QBs for the duration of their long careers. It's either Gibbs or Shula IMO. And Shula should have won more having 2 HOF QBs during his career!

Just imagine if Casserly had picked Brett Favre instead of Bobby Wilson in 91...

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think Belichick is an absolutely amazing coach. Best of this era without question.

Probably true, but his will always be tainted....even if the cheating didn't directly contribute to the wins...there's always that cloud hanging over them.

He'll be respected as a coach for sure. As a human? Not so much.


Coach Gibbs is one of the best coaches as well as one of the best men period ever associated with the NFL.

There's an easy classless vs. classy comparison with Bellichick/Gibbs.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think it's hard to compare different coaches from different eras. But I think Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh were the greatest during their time; before free agency took it's hold on the league. I tellya, watching the Hogs and those teams was a thing of beauty. If a team beat the Skins back then it was beause they were stocked with talent and extremely well coached. Oh, and RFK was one of the most feared places to play in the NFL. We knew that if there was a playoff game at RFK, it was pretty much a wrap. Gibbs would have players practicing in the cold weather, rain, sleet, snow...or whatever. When you think abou it, it's crazy how they pamper these guys today. Totally different league now.

Someone look up Gibbs' playoff record at RFK. I'm betting his winning percentage was somewhere in the high 700s percentile.

I think when it's all said and done though, Belichick will go down as one of the greatest.

Even though he was probably tough on all of them, I think there was still some preferential treatment to stars. After all, CP did have some "power" while Gibbs was here(refusing to play in preseason games) but he has been completely submissive under Shanahan.

[MTK]

He's already considered as one of the best.

[skinsfan69]

I'd also mention Tom Landry in there. He was an innovator and he was one of the few coaches who called both the offense and the defense. Great football coach and a great football mind.

[DM72]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd also mention Tom Landry in there. He was an innovator and he was one of the few coaches who called both the offense and the defense. Great football coach and a great football mind.

Agree. Gibbs is even on record as saying Landry was the best coach he ever faced.