kipers first mock draft

SKINSnCANES · 01-18-2005, 07:13 PM

yea I used to always use opera to paste insider articles.

Id much rather have mike williams, in a heart beat. Edwards is rod gardner in my mind, same guy, great potential, protype receiver. Mike williams makes plays though, and hes 6'5", a plaxico burress type guy. Hopefully hes been working on his speed, I think he can make big plays either way. Coles can then be our deep threat again

SASpen00XIII · 01-18-2005, 07:40 PM

I'd rather have Edwards over Williams if the team is looking to draft a WR. The Insider Scouts.com reported that Williams has attitude problems and weight gain issues like Dave Boston (hopefully not the piercing problems though). Not to mention the whole year off thing. The Skins need WR help now, go with Edwards.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-18-2005, 07:42 PM

Definitely, I'm ready to see Coles by the deep threat he used to be. I'm wondering whether or not he SHOULD get surgery, because I know they are recommending it.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-18-2005, 07:43 PM

Part of me too is wondering if WR is as much a pressing need as simply retooling the offense a bit to accomodate the talent we DO have.

kingerock · 01-18-2005, 07:46 PM

I like Williams size. 6'5" and 230 matches up well in our division vs the DBs who would be covering him. We wouldn't need to trade down though, get a DE in FA and a TE in round 3 or 4 as there are alot of decent prospects that should drop to the 3rd round that would fit our system well. If we do trade down, I get a WR and a Guard in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The other school of thought (for me) is trade up to get Dan Cody and go after a WR in FA. I wouldn't do that though as I would move Arrington to DE and consentrate on getting a vertical threat WR and beefing up the offensive line with a guard and center.

Gmanc711 · 01-18-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Part of me too is wondering if WR is as much a pressing need as simply retooling the offense a bit to accomodate the talent we DO have.

I'm thinking that exact same thing. Not that I'd be mad at a new WR, but I dont know if we need hte 1st round, big name reciver. Maybe like a 2nd round, guy or somthing. With the exception of center, I think we can win with what we arleady have on offense.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-18-2005, 08:03 PM

Yeah, I'm fairly indifferent to what we do with our first round pick, even though I'd prefer a DE. I'm sure some very good centers/WR will be available in the later rounds.

PSUskinsfan11 · 01-18-2005, 08:34 PM

We have speed with Coles. I would much rather have Williams then Edwards. Williams is a freak athlete and 4.56 isn't that slow, plus remember that was Bolden's knock and look what he is doing. I still want us to get a pash rushing DE so if we could trade down and get Williams and maybe a DE like Chris Canty in the second or third round I would be happy. I still would like to see us take Erasmus James though. Also a thought, if Gardner is traded we will have Coles, Thrash, and Jacobs who are all pretty fast and maybe McCants if we keep him around we could always go after a big possession WR like Fred Gibson in the 3rd round or maybe second depending on what we would get or Gardner.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-18-2005, 09:05 PM

They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.

FRPLG · 01-19-2005, 08:16 AM

Listen guys...rookie WRs are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Most(read:98%) have no first year impact and the 2% that do are on absolutely deprived teams like the Lions with Williams or the Cards with Bouldin last year. If we draft a WR he will not be the first option and probably wont have much of an impact. This is a team built for now and I can't see the Skins drafting a WR who most likely wouldn't contribute immediately when they can get a WR in Free Agency or by trade that could help now. I really think drafting a WR is a bad call for us. I'd much prefer to trade down and get a quality DL and a pick which we could use on a center. At 9 we're not going to get an impact player ala Taylor this year but we could get a DE with some pass rushing skills and a center bigger than Ramsey.

FRPLG · 01-19-2005, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay.

No reserve...buy it now price: 2nd rounder.

MTK · 01-19-2005, 09:17 AM

We need playmakers on offense but I tend to agree with the opinion that a rookie WR is unlikely to make an immediate impact. We'd be better off going the free agent route for a receiver. If Burress hits the market I think the 'Skins will give him serious consideration.

The #9 pick in the draft is a good spot to look to trade down in to the late teens and pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

celts32 · 01-19-2005, 09:29 AM

One thing on Mike WIlliams speed. The scouts dropped Anquan Boldin to the 2nd round last year over his 40 time and he can play. I think WIlliams will be able to get deep and his size will help him out muscle smaller DB's for the jump balls.

Maybe they can trade down 5 or 6 spots and still get him and an extra pick.

celts32 · 01-19-2005, 09:33 AM

What scares me about Burress is that he has been sort of a dissapointment until this year which is coincidentaly a contract year. Or his improved play could be becasue of Big Ben, but guys who improve in a contract year scare me. And Muhamed is to old, so I am not sure that free agency will help the Skins WR position.

Matt is also right that rookie WR's usually struggle, so it's not clear exactly what the right path is.

Gmanc711 · 01-19-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

What scares me about Burress is that he has been sort of a dissapointment until this year which is coincidentaly a contract year. Or his improved play could be becasue of Big Ben, but guys who improve in a contract year scare me. And Muhamed is to old, so I am not sure that free agency will help the Skins WR position.

Matt is also right that rookie WR's usually struggle, so it's not clear exactly what the right path is.

The Contract year thing is what scares me about Rod. I really think if we cant get somthing in return, we shouldnt cut him. If we do go on w/o him, I'd like to see the FA route as well. If Buress isnt asking outlandish money, we have to consdier him. However, theres gotta be a diamond in the rough somewhere out there. M.Muhammad is proboly going to want too much, but then again, proboly same amound as Bruess. Hoshmanzada had that beef w/ Taylor, so I doubt we bring him in. Who are the other FA's that could really make an impact?

We just have to wait and see w/ contract negotiations and stuff, its hard to speculate when we dont know how much $ we can spend.

01-18-2005, 07:13 PM	#16
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	yea I used to always use opera to paste insider articles. Id much rather have mike williams, in a heart beat. Edwards is rod gardner in my mind, same guy, great potential, protype receiver. Mike williams makes plays though, and hes 6'5", a plaxico burress type guy. Hopefully hes been working on his speed, I think he can make big plays either way. Coles can then be our deep threat again __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

01-18-2005, 07:40 PM	#17
SASpen00XIII Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Age: 46 Posts: 20	Edwards over Williams I'd rather have Edwards over Williams if the team is looking to draft a WR. The Insider Scouts.com reported that Williams has attitude problems and weight gain issues like Dave Boston (hopefully not the piercing problems though). Not to mention the whole year off thing. The Skins need WR help now, go with Edwards. __________________ "Great players make great plays." Joe Theismann

01-18-2005, 07:42 PM	#18
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Definitely, I'm ready to see Coles by the deep threat he used to be. I'm wondering whether or not he SHOULD get surgery, because I know they are recommending it. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-18-2005, 07:43 PM	#19
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Part of me too is wondering if WR is as much a pressing need as simply retooling the offense a bit to accomodate the talent we DO have. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-18-2005, 07:46 PM	#20
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 49 Posts: 360	I like Williams size. 6'5" and 230 matches up well in our division vs the DBs who would be covering him. We wouldn't need to trade down though, get a DE in FA and a TE in round 3 or 4 as there are alot of decent prospects that should drop to the 3rd round that would fit our system well. If we do trade down, I get a WR and a Guard in the 1st and 2nd rounds. The other school of thought (for me) is trade up to get Dan Cody and go after a WR in FA. I wouldn't do that though as I would move Arrington to DE and consentrate on getting a vertical threat WR and beefing up the offensive line with a guard and center. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

01-18-2005, 08:03 PM	#22
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Yeah, I'm fairly indifferent to what we do with our first round pick, even though I'd prefer a DE. I'm sure some very good centers/WR will be available in the later rounds. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-18-2005, 08:34 PM	#23
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	We have speed with Coles. I would much rather have Williams then Edwards. Williams is a freak athlete and 4.56 isn't that slow, plus remember that was Bolden's knock and look what he is doing. I still want us to get a pash rushing DE so if we could trade down and get Williams and maybe a DE like Chris Canty in the second or third round I would be happy. I still would like to see us take Erasmus James though. Also a thought, if Gardner is traded we will have Coles, Thrash, and Jacobs who are all pretty fast and maybe McCants if we keep him around we could always go after a big possession WR like Fred Gibson in the 3rd round or maybe second depending on what we would get or Gardner.

01-18-2005, 09:05 PM	#24
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	They should just go ahead and put Gardener on eBay. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-19-2005, 08:16 AM	#25
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Listen guys...rookie WRs are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Most(read:98%) have no first year impact and the 2% that do are on absolutely deprived teams like the Lions with Williams or the Cards with Bouldin last year. If we draft a WR he will not be the first option and probably wont have much of an impact. This is a team built for now and I can't see the Skins drafting a WR who most likely wouldn't contribute immediately when they can get a WR in Free Agency or by trade that could help now. I really think drafting a WR is a bad call for us. I'd much prefer to trade down and get a quality DL and a pick which we could use on a center. At 9 we're not going to get an impact player ala Taylor this year but we could get a DE with some pass rushing skills and a center bigger than Ramsey.

01-19-2005, 09:17 AM	#27
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	We need playmakers on offense but I tend to agree with the opinion that a rookie WR is unlikely to make an immediate impact. We'd be better off going the free agent route for a receiver. If Burress hits the market I think the 'Skins will give him serious consideration. The #9 pick in the draft is a good spot to look to trade down in to the late teens and pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

01-19-2005, 09:29 AM	#28
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	One thing on Mike WIlliams speed. The scouts dropped Anquan Boldin to the 2nd round last year over his 40 time and he can play. I think WIlliams will be able to get deep and his size will help him out muscle smaller DB's for the jump balls. Maybe they can trade down 5 or 6 spots and still get him and an extra pick.

01-19-2005, 09:33 AM	#29
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	What scares me about Burress is that he has been sort of a dissapointment until this year which is coincidentaly a contract year. Or his improved play could be becasue of Big Ben, but guys who improve in a contract year scare me. And Muhamed is to old, so I am not sure that free agency will help the Skins WR position. Matt is also right that rookie WR's usually struggle, so it's not clear exactly what the right path is.

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