Redskins Moving up?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Well we can all agree on one thing...
The skins make the draft more interesting just about every year don't they?
I'll be stunned if we trade the 25 and 9 for Edwards but the 25 and Gardner may not be enough to get that done. Maybe we work a three way deal to move up into the 15 range by trading Gardner and the 25 then trade the 9 and the 15ish for the 4 and a 2nd rounder? Does this sound plausible?

Hhhmmmm. Now that's an interesting option I hadn't thought about. If it's an early second, I could live with that because there could still be a CB available that would be an upgrade over Walt Harris. I'll have to check one of those draft pick value charts, but I think the math may work on that. Very good thinking FRPLG.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'll be stunned if we trade the 25 and 9 for Edwards but the 25 and Gardner may not be enough to get that done. Maybe we work a three way deal to move up into the 15 range by trading Gardner and the 25 then trade the 9 and the 15ish for the 4 and a 2nd rounder? Does this sound plausible?

Ok, I've done some calculating. Doing the math, if we could move up to 15 by trading Gardner and 25 (which might be a stretch because it would normally take a late second rounder to move up that much), we could probably work a deal with the Bears for #4 and #7 in the second round (the points work out to be almost equal). Problem is, there is a very good chance Braylon doesn't make it past #3. It would be virtually impossible to get to #3 and still get a second rounder (especially since the Browns have the #2 pick in the second round). If he's still there at #4 though, I'll be on the edge of my seat.

[FRPLG]

I was so worried the site would be down and we would never be able to talk about this stuff before the draft. Thank god Matty was able to get this up and running.

[PSUskinsfan11]

I am not sold on trading up for Edwards. He is good but not special. I would be more satisfied if they said they were going after Williams. Honestly I still think we draft a CB at 9 (Rolle) or trade down to mid 1st and pick up another pick and draft a CB there (Rodgers) and take Heath Miller, Roddy White, Mark Clayton, or Matt Roth at 25.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Most def. I love that I actually have something to do at work now.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

There hasn't been a lot of hype around Miller these days. If he slips and we somehow acquire a 2nd round pick, it could be possibly to pick him up.

[Daseal]

and he got a 14 on the wonderlic test (that's really bad for a QB).

Isn't that about the same that Marino/Montana got? Wonderlic test doesn't mean anything. They give it to these guys after a full day of workouts and most of them don't care about it that much. Last year there was a list of wonderlic tests and who scored what, Ill have to look for it when I get home from class! Basicly some of the best players scored low.

I am not sold on trading up for Edwards. He is good but not special. I would be more satisfied if they said they were going after Williams.

AMEN.

As far as Rolle - I think he's gonna slip. He's way overrated. I'd take PacMan and Rogers before him. He has an ST attitude without the natural gifts! PacMan said he WANTED to be a Redskin. If we blow the 9th pick on a CB - it should be him!

[PSUskinsfan11]

Originally Posted by Daseal

As far as Rolle - I think he's gonna slip. He's way overrated. I'd take PacMan and Rogers before him. He has an ST attitude without the natural gifts! PacMan said he WANTED to be a Redskin. If we blow the 9th pick on a CB - it should be him!

I don;t agree with Rolle being overrated. If anyone is overrated its PacMan. Pac Man is fast but he is not smart. Rolle doesn't make nearly the amount of mistakes PacMan does. Look at the competition faced by Rolle and Rodgers and compare it to what Pac Man was up against at UWV. Rolle and Rodgers clearly held up better against better passing teams and proved to be leaders for their team. Pac Man's team finished 7-4 against a weeker schedule and began the year as a preseason top 5 team.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah, I really want Pacman if no good WR is available.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I also like Merriman's attitude. I saw him on NFL Network and he looks like someone who would be a good team guy and he's such a BEAST.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I wouldn't want Rolle for the fact he's from the "U" alone. I don't want to have a Miami reunion every summer when they should be practicing with the team.

[Redskins_P]

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be against drafting Miller now. But I doubt we will.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah, if he's there at #25 or second round (if we get one).

[Daseal]

Well, Malcolm - eventually they'd just move the workouts to DC! Portis, Barrow, Taylor, Reed, Moss, Lewis, more? all play around here!

Rolle has an attitude problem. He thinks he a ST without the talent. Why do you say pacman is stupid? Basing it on a wonderlic tests? They're totally useless. Pacman is a faster more physical version of smoot. I do like Rodgers a lot, but Rolle is definitely the 3rd CB in my book.

Also, referring to Campbell, how is 8 losses in your entire college career mediocre?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Also, referring to Campbell, how is 8 losses in your entire college career mediocre?

Insider's Expert's scouting report on Campbell:

Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Like I said. Three so-so years, one good year, in a west coast scheme that had to be simplified. Seriously, what the heck are we going to do with a west coast QB? He's just not that impressive. If you look at his throwing statistics compared to the other top 10 QB draft prospects, I think you'll see that he's really nothing to write home about. In fact, his numbers put him somewhere around the bottom of the top 10 QBs.

And if I had Cadillac AND Ronnie Brown behind me, with a consistently good to great defense, I'd probably have a pretty good win/loss record too. Win/loss records in college football are no indicator of success in the pros. Danny Wuerrfle, Shane Matthews, Ken Dorsey, Andre Ware, Eric Crouch............the list just goes on and on.