3-4 vs. 4-3

[BaltimoreSkins]

There are very few 3-4s in college therefore the number of natural nose tackles are limited. To me going 4-3 makes more sense especially in a passing league.

[sandtrapjack]

More and more teams are using 11 personnel formations on offense. And that would dictate a nickel defense as a minimum to match up against that. I think I saw a stat that on Sundays Cowboys/Redskins game, that Dallas used 11 personnel on over 70% of their offense snaps.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass when the down and distance dictates it.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.

11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.

Got it. Yeah, that seems to be the new normal. Would be interesting to know the league wide % of that group throughout the NFL thru 1st 2 weeks.

[MTK]

One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43

[Kope]

Originally Posted by MTK

One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43

This. In the NFL all teams are multiple front. Yes there is a base look, but the majority of the game is played in sub packages specific to the opponent that week.

A way to look at base is how the defense sets up an offense up; to provide tendencies and then break them.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by MTK

One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43

What percentage of snaps are you comfortable with Kerrigan or Sweat dropping in coverage?

My answer is zero, none, never ever.

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[SunnySide]

I honestly dont put any stock in "3-4 v 4-3" because we, like the entire league, are in nickel the most. I dont think the coaches on the Skins care about a potential player fitting 3-4 or 4-3 either.

I do wonder if we somewhat misuse edge guys. Sweat, Preston Smith and (to a degree) Ryan Anderson should be hand in dirt players and not hybrid asked to cover the flat or RB out of the back field and definitely under no circumstances asked to cover the slot.

2018 we were in base 34% and nickel 63%.

"11" personnel has been the thing for a few years now. It spreads the ball out, you can get your slot guy covered by a LB sometimes, you can put guys in motion to see how the D shifts, can bring a defender from the LOS and open some run gashes.

Defensive Personnel Frequency
Team Base Rk NickelRk Dime+Rk
CLE 66% 1 31% 29 1% 27
LAR 58% 2 37% 25 2% 23
CAR 50% 3 49% 20 0% 32
IND 42% 4 44% 23 11% 14
DEN 41% 5 27% 32 30% 5
PIT 38% 6 36% 26 24% 7
HOU 38% 7 34% 28 24% 8
NYJ 37% 8 53% 18 8% 16
MIA 36% 9 60% 14 1% 25
SF 36% 10 45% 22 15% 10
TB 36% 11 62% 11 0% 30
OAK 35% 12 57% 16 7% 17
WAS 34% 13 63% 10 2% 24
JAX 33% 14 66% 6 0% 29
BUF 33% 15 66% 5 0% 31
BAL 30% 16 40% 24 28% 6
Team Base Rk Nickel Rk Dime+ Rk
CHI 30% 17 64% 9 5% 20
CIN 30% 18 67% 4 1% 26
TEN 30% 19 64% 8 5% 19
DET 29% 20 52% 19 15% 11
NYG 29% 21 60% 15 11% 13
SEA 29% 22 68% 3 3% 21
KC 27% 23 29% 30 42% 3
ARI 27% 24 65% 7 7% 18
PHI 27% 25 60% 13 10% 15
LAC 26% 26 27% 31 46% 1
DAL 25% 27 55% 17 20% 9
ATL 24% 28 72% 2 2% 22
NO 23% 29 61% 12 13% 12
GB 23% 30 34% 27 42% 2
MIN 21% 31 77% 1 0% 28
NE 15% 32 48% 21 37% 4
Avg 33% -- 52% -- 13% --

I cant post links yet so I cut n pasted from football outsiders

edit - 2017 stats, NOT 2018 .. apologies

[skinsfan69]

They've been running a lot of 4 man fronts where Sweat and Kerrigan are basically 4-3 ends w/ their hand in the dirt. I really didn't see too many base 3-4's yesterday. So to me it really isn't an issue. The issue is lack of coverage skills and a total lack of a pass rush.

[calia]

But for Miami’s “defense,” we’d be worst in the league. I know it has been only 2 games, but still....


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[DYoungJelly]

I would much rather be a single gap defense than a two gap.

When you see our D line at the snap they don't burst forward with their initial step. They extend their arms and read the play.

The cowboys d line crashed into our o line at the snap causing havoc and pressure.

We have talent but I don't think we use it correctly.

Even in Nickle, I don't think they are coached to burst like the cowboys are.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

4-3!! Yes!!! I know MTK is with me. 😂😂😂

[los panda]

Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
DE Sweat, Young
DT Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
DE Allen, Ioannidis
DT Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by los panda

Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
DE Sweat, Young
DT Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
DE Allen, Ioannidis
DT Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?

Its a good question, but what it can be is many things based on situation and packages. Based on down and distance and game plan it will give us the flexibility to match up better with the opposing offense. At the least it gives us a good rotation. You could go heavy removing a LB adding a lineman against a power run team...against a pass heavy team we could go less Payne more Matty I. Its a good problem to have and our D-line and its depth is a major strength with Chase Young there.