D-Line help without trading down

[Redskins_P]

Ogunleye would be great because then we could move P.Daniels to DT. I still think we should draft Taylor, because there is no DT in the draft that really seems to be an impact player. Gilbert Brown could come cheap and just having him in the middle is enough. He's huge and still has a couple of years under his belt as long as he stays healthy.

Bottom line is, we can't pass up on a guy like Taylor in the draft.

[SKINSnCANES]

Yea I agree. We just need a solid dline that will hold its own and create some pressure. If we have big guys that stop the run then they are forced to pass with Taylor learking around, and id be happy with that scenerio.

[Redskins_P]

Can we trade Dave Fiore for picks? I know he doesn't have that much value since he was injured all season, but he is a proven lineman.

I think we can pick up a decent DT in the second or third round, that's if we trade someone for a pick.

[SKINSnCANES]

Dave wouldnt net us much, he hasnt played in two years. When we picked him up he was coming off an injury. BUT I wouldnt mind getting rid of him becuase he isnt someone we've had for years that goes against us trying to build a team.

[kingerock]

I still say trade down for Tommie Harris. He may not have the big numbers last season, but he is the next great DT. I said it here 1st. Trade down and get a 3rd or 4th round pick in the deal. Bowen and Ohalete can handle the middle, especially if we can put pressure on the QB. That, to me, has to be our #1 priority in the draft, getting some help up front. Tommie Harris is starting to become the 1st round 'gem' since he's getting no love from most of the mock drafters. I mean a big d-tackle that runs a 4.78 - 40!!!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by kingerock

I still say trade down for Tommie Harris. He may not have the big numbers last season, but he is the next great DT. I said it here 1st. Trade down and get a 3rd or 4th round pick in the deal. Bowen and Ohalete can handle the middle, especially if we can put pressure on the QB. That, to me, has to be our #1 priority in the draft, getting some help up front. Tommie Harris is starting to become the 1st round 'gem' since he's getting no love from most of the mock drafters. I mean a big d-tackle that runs a 4.78 - 40!!!

If you look at his physical ability you could say he was the second coming of reggie white, but that's where it end's, show me the big time guard or tackle he dominated, I don't say that to be funny, I really haven't followed the guy like yourself and I want to know what I may have missed.

[SKINSnCANES]

Id rather have Vince Wilfork. V.Wilfork gets double teamed and uses on of those linemen to throw them into the QB.

[SKINSnCANES]

Either way, we'd be stupid to not take Winslow or Taylor.

[MTK]

Fiore is contemplating retirement, so I don't think he's going to worth much at all.

[SKINSnCANES]

Hopefully Dockery under Bugel will mature enough to be able to not give up so many big plays this year. Whoever gets Vernon Carey out of Miami is going ot get a hell of a guard in end of the first round. If for some reason we traded down and got later picks he would be a great pickup.

[SKINSnCANES]

I wonder how much research Joe has done to later round players. He just came back to football, hes probably only watched tapes that have been given to him. I bet his concentrating on the first day, and any trades that may result on the first day.

[SKINSnCANES]

Well Dockery definitly needs someone to tutor him. He seems to have no insticts at all last year. Whether it was stepping on people, not picking up blockers. He didnt seem to do anything right until the end of the season. But hey, he lost some games for us, we get a better pick because of it. I just hope he learned a lot and worked hard this offseason.

Joe, did you seem him at training camp, how did he look?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

don't discount dockery yet. I think he can be an awesome guard especially under the tutelage of the man Mr. Bugel.

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Well Dockery definitly needs someone to tutor him. He seems to have no insticts at all last year. Whether it was stepping on people, not picking up blockers. He didnt seem to do anything right until the end of the season. But hey, he lost some games for us, we get a better pick because of it. I just hope he learned a lot and worked hard this offseason.

I agree with both of you. Dockery may yet pan out but he ain't there yet and could very well wash out. But, if he can be taught, Bugel is the man to do it. I think, however, that your right SFT and that Dockery will be a very good guard for long time.

OKAY, as to Vinny - How about a fourth rounder : ) ? Despite Jansen, Smoot and Dockery, is there anyone there who disagrees with my basic premise? That being - Vinny doesn't have a particularly good eye for finding average college talent that will translate to very good NFL talent? Remember, all three of them were highly regarded prospects coming out and Smoot was discussed as a No. 1 pick.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I pretty much agree with your assesment joe except there was also Cartwright (7th round), but I think that was more Marty's pick if I remember correctly.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I pretty much agree with your assesment joe except there was also Cartwright (7th round), but I think that was more Marty's pick if I remember correctly.

No, Cartwright was a Spurrier/Cerrato pick.

And now, dammit, stop pointing out flaws in my carefully thought out, fully analyzed, and wonderfully articulated theories. Pretend I am Dan Snyder and you are Terry Robiskie - Just nod and agree with me.