Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Brian Mitchell said it's common knowledge league wide that Arrington is undisciplined and will hurt his own team with mistakes and that he usually costs the Redskins 1-2 games per year with those mistakes.

This is the dumbest comment I've ever heard about LaVar, and I'm not the least bit suprised it came from the mouth of Brian Mitchell. Someone please give me an example of a game that LaVar has lost for the Skins, because the only game I can remember LaVar being single handedly responsible for the outcome was the Carolina game a few years back when the Skins were 0-5 and looking at 0-6 and LaVar intercepted the ball and returned it for a touchdown. Winning the game, and basically single handedly turning the season around.

Everyone wants to discount the "conspiricy theories", but no one thinks that LaVar having a contract dispute recently and bad mouthing the medical staff in the offseason has anything to do with him not playing? Also, he can only void his final two years of his contract if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next two years, but hmmm... the three time pro bowler isn't playing good enough to start. I bet LaVar gets a lot more playing time around week 6 or 7, when he'll be unable to get the type of stats needed to make the Pro Bowl.

And everyone seems to think Holdman is a "solid" replacement. So far this season Marcus Washington has 28 tackles, Marshall has 24, and Holdman has 10, with no sacks, picks, or forced fumbles. In the 2 games that Arrington played in Williams system last year, he had 15 tackles and a sack, but all of the sudden he doesn't know how to play football. If Greg Williams actually believes that LaVar overpursues and freelances too much, then why isn't Omar Stoutmire starting over Sean Taylor?

[hail_2_da_skins]

Now that's a good post. Levar makes big plays that can change the game around. All those GM's that claims he freelances will be the first ones to call when he becomes a free agent.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

This is the dumbest comment I've ever heard about LaVar, and I'm not the least bit suprised it came from the mouth of Brian Mitchell. Someone please give me an example of a game that LaVar has lost for the Skins, because the only game I can remember LaVar being single handedly responsible for the outcome was the Carolina game a few years back when the Skins were 0-5 and looking at 0-6 and LaVar intercepted the ball and returned it for a touchdown. Winning the game, and basically single handedly turning the season around.

Everyone wants to discount the "conspiricy theories", but no one thinks that LaVar having a contract dispute recently and bad mouthing the medical staff in the offseason has anything to do with him not playing? Also, he can only void his final two years of his contract if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next two years, but hmmm... the three time pro bowler isn't playing good enough to start. I bet LaVar gets a lot more playing time around week 6 or 7, when he'll be unable to get the type of stats needed to make the Pro Bowl.

And everyone seems to think Holdman is a "solid" replacement. So far this season Marcus Washington has 28 tackles, Marshall has 24, and Holdman has 10, with no sacks, picks, or forced fumbles. In the 2 games that Arrington played in Williams system last year, he had 15 tackles and a sack, but all of the sudden he doesn't know how to play football. If Greg Williams actually believes that LaVar overpursues and freelances too much, then why isn't Omar Stoutmire starting over Sean Taylor?

preech on brother, i'm with ya.

[mattdouthat]

Being the best athlete or most talented does not make you the best player. Gibbs is about hard work and discipline as is Greg Williams. You will never see a T.O. or Randy Moss on this team and they are the most talented and physically gifted at there position and how many rings do they have NONE. Now look at the Patriots they get hard working smart team players who do what they are assigned to do. No matter who goes down or gets hurt they can plug in anyone. Now I love Lavar when he hits people it makes me feel all warm inside. But we are a well disciplened defense and if he doesn't buy in to that and learn to play that way keep him on bench. I see people talk about us givin up those rushing yards to Denver well year in and year out Denver has one of the best rushing attacks in the league. Look at what happened to Coles one year our best offensive player then last year he did nothing I know he was hurt and we didnt throw deep but aot of Moss catches have been short but he runs after catch. A couple deep balls but most are short. Every move that has been made this year even though we questioned it has been proved right si far and I feel this will too.

[#56fanatic]

thats what I am talking about!!, somebody who shares my feelings. This is a load of crap man. Like I said in my little tyrate, LaVar has not forgotton how to play football.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

thats what I am talking about!!, somebody who shares my feelings. This is a load of crap man. Like I said in my little tyrate, LaVar has not forgotton how to play football.

So has GW forgotten how to run a defense then?

LaVar is not above this football team.

[#56fanatic]

No I didn't say GW has forgotten how to run a D. Has LaVar forgotten how to play football? that was the question. And the answer to that is NO!. Holdman may be a servicable LB but in no way is he the play LA is. Someone brought up and interesting stat about tackles and forced fumbles, sacks. Holdman has half as many as the others LBs and less than some of DBs. I havn't watched any gametape but if he isnt' getting the tackles on his side of the field, which most of the time is the weak side, with Carlos Rogers on that side, dont you think they are running more to that side. Like I said, I dont watch game tape but I would expect him to have more tackles and maybe a sack or two. Wasn't GW so excited when he got here about LaVar and how great he was going to be in this D. His "playmaking" ability and aggressiveness was going to be used more than it ever has. I do believe Williams was more excited about LaVar than anybody on the team. Greg has done a great job w/ this D and I am glad we are winning, and Holdman is filling in OK. But the weakside LB is suppose to be making more plays, more pressures more hits, and I havn't seen any of that out there. And this past game, they played zone w/ the back four and kept eveyone else at the line of scrimmage, shouldn't he have had more plays? or am I retarted?

[Stacks42]

It doesnt make any sense to have one of our best defensive players on the bench! When the run game wasnt working so well last year the skins tailored the blocking skemes to suit Portis, why dont they tailor something on D for Lavar? We cant get pressure from our lineman on D and for some reason GW stopped blitzing, maybe we do need someone who can go in there and wreak havoc. The fact that they are saying that LA doesnt fit into the scheme is just BS, he fit perfectly fine last year before he got hurt, he was the face of the Skins now he just an overpaid bench warmer. I say play your best players, and especially a player that you just re-negotiated a contract with and are paying large sums of money. Our D right now isnt an attacking D, it seems like we let things come at us rather than going up against an offense and punching them square in the mouth!

[tjmorgan]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

It doesnt make any sense to have one of our best defensive players on the bench! When the run game wasnt working so well last year the skins tailored the blocking skemes to suit Portis, why dont they tailor something on D for Lavar? We cant get pressure from our lineman on D and for some reason GW stopped blitzing, maybe we do need someone who can go in there and wreak havoc. The fact that they are saying that LA doesnt fit into the scheme is just BS, he fit perfectly fine last year before he got hurt, he was the face of the Skins now he just an overpaid bench warmer. I say play your best players, and especially a player that you just re-negotiated a contract with and are paying large sums of money. Our D right now isnt an attacking D, it seems like we let things come at us rather than going up against an offense and punching them square in the mouth!

Exactly. Why do we not have packages in place just for Lavar. If he does not stay put in coverage, fine, don't use him in coverage. Put there are clearly times when we want to pressure the qb, and he is the best person on the team for that. He is a pure athlete, let him use those talents to beat his man. If he gets double teamed, then someone else has the chance of getting the qb. Third and long, bring the blitz. Lavar is the man for that down.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by tjmorgan

Exactly. Why do we not have packages in place just for Lavar. If he does not stay put in coverage, fine, don't use him in coverage. Put there are clearly times when we want to pressure the qb, and he is the best person on the team for that. He is a pure athlete, let him use those talents to beat his man. If he gets double teamed, then someone else has the chance of getting the qb. Third and long, bring the blitz. Lavar is the man for that down.

Williams essentially said that on the postgame, but there were no situations (specifically third and long) that fit the packages that Arrington was in on. Denver consistently had 3rd and 5 or 3rd and 8. Those are the exact situations where you need people to be in the right spots.. Let's assume he's in for as a pass rusher and he's supposed to take an inside charge and he thinks he reads something and goes outside to use his 'athletic ability' to beat his man to make a big play but the draw play goes right thru his gap for a first down or more. 3rd and 15, 3rd and 18 those plays don't happen. Those are the plays that kill a team..

Originally Posted by Southpaw

This is the dumbest comment I've ever heard about LaVar, and I'm not the least bit suprised it came from the mouth of Brian Mitchell. Someone please give me an example of a game that LaVar has lost for the Skins, because the only game I can remember LaVar being single handedly responsible for the outcome was the Carolina game a few years back when the Skins were 0-5 and looking at 0-6 and LaVar intercepted the ball and returned it for a touchdown. Winning the game, and basically single handedly turning the season around.

Everyone wants to discount the "conspiricy theories", but no one thinks that LaVar having a contract dispute recently and bad mouthing the medical staff in the offseason has anything to do with him not playing? Also, he can only void his final two years of his contract if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next two years, but hmmm... the three time pro bowler isn't playing good enough to start. I bet LaVar gets a lot more playing time around week 6 or 7, when he'll be unable to get the type of stats needed to make the Pro Bowl.

A couple of years ago, when George Edwards was def. coord, I don't remember the exact games, but there were about 3-4 of them that freelancing on defense cost us victories.. I can remember one specific play in the Carolina game that year where Trotter's freelancing resulted in a long TD pass to the back out of the backfield.. Look, I am a HUGE Lavar fan, but I also defer to the coaches knowing what's best for the team moreso than I do.. I think last year against Cleveland he got beat by coming up on Garcia (playing outside the scheme) and Aaron Shea got behind him for the winning TD.. That may have been M. Washington, I don't remember, but I know it was a loss because of that..

Let me just point out the major hole in the contract/keeping him out of the lineup logic regarding Lavar.. Nobody on the coaching staff wants to lose games. If you had a player that you think will significantly improve your chances of winning games you don't play him because of spite? The Redskins aren't hurting for money, it will seriously impact the cap to trade or release him in the offseason, so they aren't holding him out for financial reasons. Leaving him on the bench hurts his trade value so there's no motivation there. I just don't get how the Redskins benefit from sabotaging their season for spite as has been suggested..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let me just point out the major hole in the contract/keeping him out of the lineup logic regarding Lavar.. Nobody on the coaching staff wants to lose games. If you had a player that you think will significantly improve your chances of winning games you don't play him because of spite? The Redskins aren't hurting for money, it will seriously impact the cap to trade or release him in the offseason, so they aren't holding him out for financial reasons. Leaving him on the bench hurts his trade value so there's no motivation there. I just don't get how the Redskins benefit from sabotaging their season for spite as has been suggested..

I love voices of reason.

Thank you.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I love voices of reason.

Thank you.

I just don't understand how that's not crystal clear to everyone. :frusty:

[celts32]

Lavar has alwasy been my favorite player on the skins in recent years. That's irrelivent though...winning is all that matters. I think many of the people who want Lavar to play will cite our defenses lack of sacks and turnovers as the reason. Lavar probably would bring some of those big plays, but he will probably also give up a lot of them in the process. GW has certainly weighed this out in his mind and at this point he obviously thinks that Lavar will cause more harm than good right now. What i find amazing is that Lavar obviously is still free lancing in practice. Knowing that the only way he will play on Sunday is if he follows his assignments durning the week and he is still messing up!

[skinsguy]

I remember when I played football in high school and the coaches put me in as linebacker (and I was small at that!) Everytime I played linebacker, I always caused a fumble or forced the QB to throw when he didn't want to - which usually resulted in an INT. However, the coaches were always fussin' at me because I didn't play my assignment. I'm think, I thought I did something good for my team. I think it's more of regardless of the fact, do what you're told!

GW's defense works on team work - but sometimes to make a defense a top defense, you do have to have those special players who are big play type of guys.

[Stacks42]

All Im saying is that you should have you best players in, and LA is definetly a "game breaker" for the Skins. Maybe he would have had one of his bone jarring hits on Bell or Plummer yesterday and changed the tied of the game. Or maybe LA would have freelanced and let Bell run all over the team for TD's of 55 and 34 yards, wait our LBs did that without him. And stating that the D did great to hold the Broncos to 257 yards, doesnt make sense because they let them score 21 and win the game.