How Hurt Do You Think Brunell Is?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan1982

Brunell hasn't really played well in the last few games; it's been an opportunistic defense along with Portis, Moss, and Cooley that have carried us. Brunell does bring some mobility, but he also has a tendency to look for the first option, and then throw the ball away. Although he did improvise well on the first drive, with the flip to Robert Royal, and then also sidestepping Osi and scrambling to make a first down, it seems that any time he has thrown the ball over the middle the last three weeks, he has been intercepted, or off on his throws. Both of Moss's long touchdown passes against the Giants resulted from his playmaking ability, and not great throws. Even the catch against the Cowboys was a great play by Moss, and not necessarily a great throw. I agree, Ramsey seems to atleast push the envelope and make some throws down the middle, and spread the ball around. I thought he did well against the Giants, by not holding on to the ball too long, and even sidestepping a pass rush and throwing the ball away. Except for the first Cowboys game, I can't say with any certainty how many games Brunell has won for us, and who is to say that Ramsey or any other QB couldn't have pulled out a win for us at home against SD and OAK where we couldn't run or abandoned the run. I'm not worried either way, but I would like a healthy quaterback under center rather than an injured one.

Nice post SF, the problem is if a player is on the bench he is immediatly discarded as incapable, as if brunell is the only one who could run our offense, Ramsey if he gets a start against the Eagles will take any doubt away that he wasen't capable of doing everything Brunell has done and then some, but my thought is here that Brunell if at all possible will be playing against the Eagles, if he doesn't, look out because Ramsey will make believers out of a lot of doubters.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Nice post SF, the problem is if a player is on the bench he is immediatly discarded as incapable, as if brunell is the only one who could run our offense

Perhaps that's true with a small portion of fans, but I think the majority of us still have faith in Ramsey but ultimately feel that Brunell is still our best option.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Perhaps that's true with a small portion of fans, but I think the majority of us still have faith in Ramsey but ultimately feel that Brunell is still our best option.

Exactly. Plus, Brunell has played in games with the playoffs on the line, so he has the experience we need right now.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Ramsey if he gets a start against the Eagles will take any doubt away that he wasen't capable of doing everything Brunell has done and then some, but my thought is here that Brunell if at all possible will be playing against the Eagles, if he doesn't, look out because Ramsey will make believers out of a lot of doubters.

If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.

I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.

I believe that is why I feel that sometimes it's just as important to spend time on the sidelines watching a veteran quarterback run the offense. Ramsey has had the opportunity to see what Brunell does when situations break down. Patrick looked like he made good decisions. I still believe our best bet is to go with Brunell this Sunday if he's healthy. This might work out well for us, because Philly isn't going to know which QB to gameplan for.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.

Yes Brunell can bail a play out on occasion with his legs, but Ramsey can Bail a play out with his arm, some of those Brunell scrambles are a result of his inability to get the ball deep downfield, or inability to provide enough arm strength to squeeze a ball into a tight spot 20 yards downfield. I think those are the intagables that Ramsey will bring to the table to offset his lack of ability to run. We will see plays that brunell would have ran and made a first down when Ramsey does not, but we will also see plays in which Ramsey hits big plays downfield in which Brunell would not. I know Ramsey does not have Brunells legs, but I also think he's a little faster than he's givin credit.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Yes Brunell can bail a play out on occasion with his legs, but Ramsey can Bail a play out with his arm, some of those Brunell scrambles are a result of his inability to get the ball deep downfield, or inability to provide enough arm strength to squeeze a ball into a tight spot 20 yards downfield. I think those are the intagables that Ramsey will bring to the table to offset his lack of ability to run. We will see plays that brunell would have ran and made a first down when Ramsey does not, but we will also see plays in which Ramsey hits big plays downfield in which Brunell would not. I know Ramsey does not have Brunells legs, but I also think he's a little faster than he's givin credit.

I feel confident that Patrick "can" do the things you suggest in your post. I believe in him as well. To date, those attributes have not been seen on a consistent basis or have been accompanied by other negative traits and/or results. He did have a big part in the Giant win in relief for Brunell. I am damn glad to have him, as are all Skins fans.
You speak several times in the post that you "think" Patrick can so this or that. The difference with that line of thought and Brunell, is Brunell "has" demonstrated week after week that he can deliver those things. I'm not sure the big deal with Brunell and the long ball, as he has burned teams weekly with just that! Brunell has the team on the verge of something we have ALL waited for a long, long time. Patrick may be a different more mature QB than he was at the beginning of the year. Now is not the time to risk what might be as we ALREADY have, what is in hand. Not a good decision, even for a Ramsey Homer.

[Daseal]

If last year was an indication of Brunell playing hurt, put his ass on the bench till hes full speed. Hopefully he'll be fine and play well, but I think Ramsey can do everything ( and more ) except buy time with his feet that Brunell can do.

[kingerock]

Ramsey still looked very uncomfortable under center. Almost like he's got something to prove and is putting too much pressure on himself. If he needs to start, though I think the rest of the starting 22 has so much confidence in themselves that all he has to do is manage the game.

If Ramsey starts:

Portis/Betts/Rock will have to run for 30+
Thrash will get several catches as his saftey valve. They've always seemed to have chemistry
Cooley will get several catches short across the middle. Ramsey's strength is his short game.
The O-line will need to pocket protect like they haven't before. Ramsey can't make plays running like Brunell can.
Moss will need to be ready to adjust to the ball. Ramsey has a cannon, but not very accurate.

[BigSKINBauer]

ESPN just said its a minor sprain and he is day to day

[offiss]

Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.

sweet, hopefully the skins can get a decent trade for ramsey.

[Skintight]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

sweet, hopefully the skins can get a decent trade for ramsey.

If Ramsey looks good this Sunday, maybe we can not only get a pack of nabs for him, but maybe a 6-pack of soda too.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.

Pat Cohen? Is he or was he a great GM or something? I do not know who he is? Should I respect his opinion?

The truth is this the first winning team that Ramsey has been a part of since his high school team. That is seven years of losing.

His Tulane teams when he was the starter went:
1999 3-9
2000 6-5
2001 3-9

No bowl games.

We know how his Redskin teams have done.
I like Ramsey alot, he is a great person and a great team player. I like him on our team.
But I am yet convinced he is a primetime NFL QB yet.

Brunnell led us here, if he is healthy, he should start. Brunnell's Redskins are 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs.