Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[diehardskin2982]

I would imagine them saying that Campbell has to learn the new scheme, or some bs like that.

[dmek25]

they might get more receivers involved in the route running(dont ask me where they are getting the receivers from)giving whom ever the qb is more options

[AnonEmouse]

My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.

It really looks like Saunders will go with Brunell and Campbell as a back up. I only like Roy Williams on the Lions and I don't think Marinelli is going to trade his best WR. Rogers can't stay healthy and Mike Williams in unproven, so far. We won't get Reggie Wayne but maybe Al can lure 1-2 other fast WRs who can stretch the field. I also think Saunders probably also wants to look at a lot of college and free agent offenive lineman to provide depth and protect from injuries and if Rock is gone, a bigger back for short yardage unless Nemo goes loco. He is a great hire for our offense since he coached with Gibbs back in the 80s and is another head coach we just added to the "no longer a head coach candidate" list.

[3rd ID SOLDIER]

let campbell and brunell duke it out in training camp no one for the skins is ever given a starting postion everyone has to earn it all over again may the best qb win! but as far as ramsey goes he is out to much damage has been done!

[backrow]

Originally Posted by 3rd ID SOLDIER

let campbell and brunell duke it out in training camp no one for the skins is ever given a starting postion everyone has to earn it all over again may the best qb win! but as far as ramsey goes he is out to much damage has been done!

Welcome Soldier! Glad you came to the Forum!

Some have mentioned a Brunell retirement, and P. Ram back as #1 or #2.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

I wonder how much of a say Saunders will have in who our QB will be, Trent Green is very similar to our own Ramsey, both are very tough, while Green is a little more elusive Ramsey boast's a much more powerful arm. The Coryell system has alway's been one that needed a QB with a big arm, this could be a changing of the guard as far as brunell is concerned, I do believe we will abandon a lot of the Musgrave dink and dunk offense, does this possibly spell a repreave for Ramsey? Or does it mean a possible promotion for Campbell, it will be very interesting to see how this unfolds?

I really wonder what kind of input he will have concerning the starter.

One thing for sure, I believe Portis should be doing cart wheels right about now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First thing, it is not Musgraves offense. Its Joe Gibbs offense, Musgrave was brounght in to work w/ Brunell and maybe give a suggestion on two. This signing is a great thing, this guys offense has never been out of the top 5 since 99. It would be nice for Ramsey to actually get a shot to play for this guy. Ramsey loves to attack down field and this guy does that. Portis should benefit greatly from more zone and stretch plays, more screens also. I personally cant wait until next september when we start whipping some ass.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

First thing, it is not Musgraves offense. Its Joe Gibbs offense, Musgrave was brounght in to work w/ Brunell and maybe give a suggestion on two. This signing is a great thing, this guys offense has never been out of the top 5 since 99. It would be nice for Ramsey to actually get a shot to play for this guy. Ramsey loves to attack down field and this guy does that. Portis should benefit greatly from more zone and stretch plays, more screens also. I personally cant wait until next september when we start whipping some ass.

Actually it's nobody's offense right now, and we defiently took a turn towards the west coast offense around the 4th or 5th game because of the futility on offense, and that was Musgraves influence, Gibbs was probably calling most of the play's, but theres a reason Saunders is being brought in, and it's not because everyone is trying to take credit for our offensive output this past season.

[Paintrain]

Ramsey is as good as gone.. Regardless of the play caller, the bottom line is the coaching staff doesn't have confidence in him (see trade for Brunell, 3 picks traded for Campbell, 70% Brunell playing vs. 100% Ramsey in the Eagles game and playoffs) the addition of a coach from the outside isn't going to change that..

That being said, I expect Brunell to be the starter going into the season but at the first sign of injury I think Campbell will be put in with the expectation that it's his job to lose at that point. He will probably start 1-2 pre season games as well to get some live time with the starters but Saunders offense doesn't seem to put too much on the QB as far as decision making, plus he doesn't let his QBs audible.. Wasn't he the offensive coordinator when Kurt Warner came out of nowhere to win the MVP award and the Rams won the Super Bowl?

[gortiz]

What will be the learning curve for an Al Saunders offense? Do you guys think we will be hitting on all cylinders come the first game. I know he installs a ton of motion, more than us, so I wonder if shouldn't expect that big of change this first year coming up under him ... especially if Campbell ends up starting ...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by gortiz

What will be the learning curve for an Al Saunders offense? Do you guys think we will be hitting on all cylinders come the first game. I know he installs a ton of motion, more than us, so I wonder if shouldn't expect that big of change this first year coming up under him ... especially if Campbell ends up starting ...

From the Times:

It's unclear how much the Redskins' playbook will change with the arrival of Saunders.

"It won't happen overnight because it's a very complicated offense," the source said. "But when it does come together, it's going to be awesome. Redskins fans are going to love this guy. They're going to love this offense."

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Actually it's nobody's offense right now, and we defiently took a turn towards the west coast offense around the 4th or 5th game because of the futility on offense, and that was Musgraves influence, Gibbs was probably calling most of the play's, but theres a reason Saunders is being brought in, and it's not because everyone is trying to take credit for our offensive output this past season.

No way did we run any resimblence to a west coast offense. 50 gut and diesel 40 gut all that crap is not west coast. We ran no quick slants, drags anything like that. The screens are part of every NFL offense. I just dont see where you get we ran any thing resembling west coast offense. but that doesn't matter, Gibbs and Saunders learned from each other so they are going to be on the same page.

[SmootSmack]

Just for the hell of it, here are Brady and Brunell's stats versus comparable opponents this year.

Tom Brady

SD (L 17-41) 19-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 78.1 rating
DEN (L 20-28) 24-26. 299 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.9 rating
KC (L 16-26) 22-40, 248 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs, 42.5 rating
TB (W 28-0) 20-31, 258 yards, 3 TDs,0 INT, 122.8 rating

Mark Brunell

SD (L 17-23) 17-27, 194 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 1 Fumble, 96.8 rating
Den (L 19-21) 30-53, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 1 Fumble, 87.1 rating
KC (L 21-28) 25-41, 331 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 2 Fumble, 110,9 rating
TB (L 35-36) 23-35, 155 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INT, 2 FUmbles, 79.0 rating

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Just for the hell of it, here are Brady and Brunell's stats versus comparable opponents this year.

Tom Brady

SD (L 17-41) 19-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 78.1 rating
DEN (L 20-28) 24-26. 299 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.9 rating
KC (L 16-26) 22-40, 248 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs, 42.5 rating
TB (W 28-0) 20-31, 258 yards, 3 TDs,0 INT, 122.8 rating

Mark Brunell

SD (L 17-23) 17-27, 194 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 1 Fumble, 96.8 rating
Den (L 19-21) 30-53, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 1 Fumble, 87.1 rating
KC (L 21-28) 25-41, 331 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 2 Fumble, 110,9 rating
TB (L 35-36) 23-35, 155 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INT, 2 FUmbles, 79.0 rating

Well, I'm sure there's some perfectly good explanation as to why Brunell has a higher rating than Brady against comparable oppenents.

Oh wait, Brady's numbers are supressed because he has his team on his back, and Brunells' aren't because he has mule pulling him.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Actually it's nobody's offense right now, and we defiently took a turn towards the west coast offense around the 4th or 5th game because of the futility on offense, and that was Musgraves influence, Gibbs was probably calling most of the play's, but theres a reason Saunders is being brought in, and it's not because everyone is trying to take credit for our offensive output this past season.

What are you talking about. We have never, oh wait a minute, yeah we did run the west coast offense, when R. Pettibone coached, and how many games did we win that year? This in no way resembles a west coast offense. Did we run quick slants, drags, draws, hardly ever. Just because we run them once in a while doesn't constitute a west coast offense. Besides the fact, west coast generally throws the ball a whole hell of alot more than we did. We ran the ball over 50% of the time, especially in the last 5 or 6 weeks. Brunell throwing for under 100 yards a game for 2 or 3 games, hardly says we are running a west coast offense. Hell, sorry Joey Harrington ran that style and he still threw for 200+ and how horrible is he. Brunell would throw for 3500+ if that was the case.