Theismann Vs. Peter King...right now on ESPN Radio

[NM Redskin]

Receptions: 5 th all time
Receiving yards: 9 th all time
Nuff said!

[rickmmrr]

PK is an A-hole. Of course the home town of your team is going to be the most vocal. Plus it's not supposed to be a popularity contest. I'ts about what you did as a player. Plus he contradicts himself every other sentence. What a di-k.

[onlydarksets]

Did anyone catch PK's last statement on Monk?

"If it were only me, Art Monk would be in the HOF. There are obviously other people on the committee, members who think he's a marginal candidate for the HOF."

What a cop-out. He still didn't provide a single valid reason for not voting for Monk.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Did anyone catch PK's last statement on Monk?

"If it were only me, Art Monk would be in the HOF. There are obviously other people on the committee, members who think he's a marginal candidate for the HOF."

What a cop-out. He still didn't provide a single valid reason for not voting for Monk.

yeah I noticed him saying that too, but it just speaks of what type of a pitiful person PK is that he has never voted for a guy he says if it was up to him Monk would be in. BS just contiously spews from his mouth and is another example of why the voting power of sports journalists needs to be reduced or all together removed.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

yeah I noticed him saying that too, but it just speaks of what type of a pitiful person PK is that he has never voted for a guy he says if it was up to him Monk would be in. BS just contiously spews from his mouth and is another example of why the voting power of sports journalists needs to be reduced or all together removed.

I think the journalists are the best source for HOF voting because more so than any group, they are the most unbiased. Players are too caught up in their own world to see the league as a whole over time and letting fans vote would have the HOF end up like the MLB all-star game full of popular but maybe not great players. The HOF voting is not perfect by any means but its as good as it can be.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the journalists are the best source for HOF voting because more so than any group, they are the most unbiased. Players are too caught up in their own world to see the league as a whole over time and letting fans vote would have the HOF end up like the MLB all-star game full of popular but maybe not great players. The HOF voting is not perfect by any means but its as good as it can be.

Those are good points, but the process can be improved drastically with one change in the rules. Per the HOF website:

[A]ll appointments [of the Board of Selectors] are of the open-end variety and can be terminated only by retirement or resignation, as long as the member continues to attend meetings regularly.

There is no reason Peter King (or anyone) needs to be on the Board for more than 3-5 years at a stretch.

[irish]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Those are good points, but the process can be improved drastically with one change in the rules. Per the HOF website:



There is no reason Peter King (or anyone) needs to be on the Board for more than 3-5 years at a stretch.

Why? I think having people on the board for longer periods of time provides the committee with members that have a sense of history and a better sense for comparison across eras. IMO, it seems that today most people think that nothing in sports happened before 2000.

AM's best bet is for old timers like King who actually saw him play as compared to newbees that think barry sanders is old-school.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by irish

I think the journalists are the best source for HOF voting because more so than any group, they are the most unbiased. Players are too caught up in their own world to see the league as a whole over time and letting fans vote would have the HOF end up like the MLB all-star game full of popular but maybe not great players. The HOF voting is not perfect by any means but its as good as it can be.

in my opinion media poeple should not be any part of the voting process. the voting should be done by fans and former players and/or coaches.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

in my opinion media poeple should not be any part of the voting process. the voting should be done by fans and former players and/or coaches.

I do think coaches should have input, but are fans and players qualified to determine who the best players are? How many people here would vote for Aikman? Probably not 80%, but it doesn't mean he isn't HOF-worthy. As for players, I think they would lack the ability, as irish put it, to draw comparisons across the eras.

[FRPLG]

To put in persepctive Monk's numbers.
He is currently 5th in all time Recs and 9th in Yards.
His 1984 season of 106 catches was the league record until 1992. After that there was an explosion of 100 recs years. He is currently 19th on that list. Of everyone else within the top 20(and I think the top 30) not one comes before 1990. Monk's 106 was so big that no one before or soon after challenged it. And PK thinks TO deserves HOF thought and Monk doesn't. Duh!

[Dirtbag]

Everyone knows that Peter King has been gunning for Monk for years. Hell, it's even on the Wikipedia entry for Monk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Monk

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag

Everyone knows that Peter King has been gunning for Monk for years. Hell, it's even on the Wikipedia entry for Monk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Monk

Love the wikipedia entry on Peter King - Clearly the entry was written by a Skins fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K...portswriter%29
King's credibility has recently been damaged by his capricious and arbitrary opposition to allowing Washington Redskin great Art Monk into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. King's increasingly defensive and incoherent rants on the subject have led to accusations of geographical bias.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Love the wikipedia entry on Peter King - Clearly the entry was written by a Skins fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K...portswriter%29
King's credibility has recently been damaged by his capricious and arbitrary opposition to allowing Washington Redskin great Art Monk into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. King's increasingly defensive and incoherent rants on the subject have led to accusations of geographical bias.

I wonder what rascal did that? The style seem eerily familiar.

[htownskinfan]

QUOTE OF THE WEEK
"It's legalized theft, a crime, that Art Monk is not in the Hall of Fame. Those voters ought to be absolutely ashamed of themselves.''

-- ESPN football analyst Sean Salisbury.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

QUOTE OF THE WEEK
"It's legalized theft, a crime, that Art Monk is not in the Hall of Fame. Those voters ought to be absolutely ashamed of themselves.''

-- ESPN football analyst Sean Salisbury.

Relying on Salisbury for support feels like an act of desperation