The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Luxorreb

There wouldn't be players if there wasn't the game.

The game should always be viewed in higher reguard than any player ever to play the game. Everyone is making plenty of money...

I am afraid that Snyder is probably involved in this owners sharing profits problems. I can't blame him as a business moves, but we're talking the NFL and this non agreement could cost the NFL most of their loyal fans, but makes it more profitable. Profitable for the short term. NFL will turn into MLB or XFL within 5 years if these peeps on both sides don't realize what they're messing with!

it won't turn into the XFL the 80+mill a year will continue to be shared, the sharing just won't be expanded. some teams might go clippers and have a 10-15mill payroll each year and pocket the rest, but the nfl has survived without a cap before... it could turn into MLB, but the bad teams would be able to be pretty decent (talent wise) and still be profitable if the owners choose.

[dmek25]

that guy,ive been thinking about this angle.to try and keep the league semi competitive,why not try a minimum cap,saying each team has to spend at least x amount of dollars according to the tv contract.that way the bidwells and some of the other cheap owners have to at least have some quality players on the roster.do you think this would work?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dmek25

that guy,ive been thinking about this angle.to try and keep the league semi competitive,why not try a minimum cap,saying each team has to spend at least x amount of dollars according to the tv contract.that way the bidwells and some of the other cheap owners have to at least have some quality players on the roster.do you think this would work?

i don't think the cheapo's would agree to a min cap unless there was also a max cap.

[skin4Life28]

just heard on espn that they are close to signing a deal today or in the next couple of days. something with the owners changed over night and which may allow the deal to get done. they may push back the deadline again to get everything done. but gene upshaw said that he is very optimistic that they'll get it done. which is very good news.

[RiggoRules]

I think it is a mistake to view either the players or the owners as a monolithic group.

Teams like MIN, SEA, AZ & CIN have very different interests, needs and pressures from those like WAS, DAL, HOU, PHI. Then there are teams like PIT, CLE, NYG, KCC who face entirely different issues.

The same is true among players. Just looking at the WR position, what is good for someone like Reggie Wayne is different from James Thrash needs which is different from Antwon Randel El would like.

Is it really greedy for people to look out for their own interests? Is it fair to call an owner greedy for not being willing to buy into a deal that puts his franchise into the red. Just like attacking a player for being upset at a deal (or lack of a deal) that will take millions out of his pocket doesn't seem very balanced.

But I will go as far as to say there has been some real stupidity here. Especially on the part of Upshaw. He is not being reasonable and is overreaching and I don't find his public statements to be real honest. The position he is taking is going to hurt far more players than it helps at 12:01 A.M.

BTW, the uncapped year will be a total boondoggle for both the players and the Redskins -- not the bonanza most people are counting on for both.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

I think it is a mistake to view either the players or the owners as a monolithic group.

Teams like MIN, SEA, AZ & CIN have very different interests, needs and pressures from those like WAS, DAL, HOU, PHI. Then there are teams like PIT, CLE, NYG, KCC who face entirely different issues.

The same is true among players. Just looking at the WR position, what is good for someone like Reggie Wayne is different from James Thrash needs which is different from Antwon Randel El would like.

Is it really greedy for people to look out for their own interests? Is it fair to call an owner greedy for not being willing to buy into a deal that puts his franchise into the red. Just like attacking a player for being upset at a deal (or lack of a deal) that will take millions out of his pocket doesn't seem very balanced.

But I will go as far as to say there has been some real stupidity here. Especially on the part of Upshaw. He is not being reasonable and is overreaching and I don't find his public statements to be real honest. The position he is taking is going to hurt far more players than it helps at 12:01 A.M.

BTW, the uncapped year will be a total boondoggle for both the players and the Redskins -- not the bonanza most people are counting on for both.

That's probably the best post I've read so far on the issue. I totally agree. The players, owners, and union officials all have different interests, they are all rich, and they are all trying to do what is in their own best interests. I don't blame any one of them for beeing "greedy" and they all are - just like the rest of us.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

I think it is a mistake to view either the players or the owners as a monolithic group.

Teams like MIN, SEA, AZ & CIN have very different interests, needs and pressures from those like WAS, DAL, HOU, PHI. Then there are teams like PIT, CLE, NYG, KCC who face entirely different issues.

The same is true among players. Just looking at the WR position, what is good for someone like Reggie Wayne is different from James Thrash needs which is different from Antwon Randel El would like.

Is it really greedy for people to look out for their own interests? Is it fair to call an owner greedy for not being willing to buy into a deal that puts his franchise into the red. Just like attacking a player for being upset at a deal (or lack of a deal) that will take millions out of his pocket doesn't seem very balanced.

But I will go as far as to say there has been some real stupidity here. Especially on the part of Upshaw. He is not being reasonable and is overreaching and I don't find his public statements to be real honest. The position he is taking is going to hurt far more players than it helps at 12:01 A.M.

BTW, the uncapped year will be a total boondoggle for both the players and the Redskins -- not the bonanza most people are counting on for both.

Very nicely put my friend!!!

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by skin4Life28

just heard on espn that they are close to signing a deal today or in the next couple of days. something with the owners changed over night and which may allow the deal to get done. they may push back the deadline again to get everything done. but gene upshaw said that he is very optimistic that they'll get it done. which is very good news.

In an e-mail to the Washington Post, Gene Upshaw said the two sides were "now in the area where we will get a deal. I think it may be there. It comes down to a few final points."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355190

[That Guy]

screw it, nuke the deal... let's try armaggedon for a while

[That Guy]

the original stars had no stars (lauched HF), and i think ET as well (lauched DB). donnie darko didn't either (lauched JG). good movies make stars

[sportscurmudgeon]

That Guy:

You were right on target when you said that without a CBA the NFL is ripe for an anti-trust suit. Please recall that the NFL was found guilty of anti-trust violations back in the 1980s in the suit filed against them by the USFL. For those who don't recall or weren't around at the time, the NFL LOST that case. Things havent' changed much since then so the league could be sued again by a rival league if things head off into an "uncapped year".

The owners are a bunch of rich egoists; the players are a bunch of spoiled brats who feel entitled to things because of their athletic prowess. It's hard to root for either side here.

But something better happen soon or the whole ball of yarn may start to unravel...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

That Guy:

You were right on target when you said that without a CBA the NFL is ripe for an anti-trust suit. Please recall that the NFL was found guilty of anti-trust violations back in the 1980s in the suit filed against them by the USFL. For those who don't recall or weren't around at the time, the NFL LOST that case. Things havent' changed much since then so the league could be sued again by a rival league if things head off into an "uncapped year".

The owners are a bunch of rich egoists; the players are a bunch of spoiled brats who feel entitled to things because of their athletic prowess. It's hard to root for either side here.

But something better happen soon or the whole ball of yarn may start to unravel...

Excellent post SC. Where have you been?

[bigm29]

The Owners and others have untill midnight to get a deal done but nfl teams have to make their cuts by 6pm. That would mean teams would have to cut players without knowing the results of the labor talks yet. Doesnt make any sense to me.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by bigm29

The Owners and others have untill midnight to get a deal done but nfl teams have to make their cuts by 6pm. That would mean teams would have to cut players without knowing the results of the labor talks yet. Doesnt make any sense to me.

40 minutes to cuts or an extension of the deadline. The rumor is 1 to 3 days.

[BigSKINBauer]

MOrt just reported that it is over, talks are over. Mort said the players association walked out... all teams must be under the cap by 10 PM.