Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?

[724Skinsfan]

Man, what the offseason would've been like if Vanderjagt had made that FG! Talk of Peyton not being able to get to the big game and the o-line sucking would gone right out the window. Hopefully Vandy will carry on the tradition in his new uniform.

[TheInspector]

Lighten up guys!

I personally think our line is top ten material, however I don't think someone is stupid simply because their opinion does not match mine.

BTW, I think I could make good arguments either way.

[skinsttw]

O-line is fine if Jansen and Thomas are healthy. If not, we have some depth issues to explore.

[Monksdown]

The title of this thread is enough to get you laughed at. Exactly what does that mean?

Are you saying that Chris Cooley's high production with an offensive line that was just a little banged up, will be less with the same offensive line when it's completely healthy?

I mean, it's fun to argue and all, but you don't have a point.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

The title of this thread is enough to get you laughed at. Exactly what does that mean?

Are you saying that Chris Cooley's high production with an offensive line that was just a little banged up, will be less with the same offensive line when it's completely healthy?

I mean, it's fun to argue and all, but you don't have a point.

It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jamf

It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

Do you know how KC did it ? (not a rhetorical or sarcastic question)

I honestly don't know.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by jamf

It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

Cooley got 774 yards with that same o-line last year and they will only be better. The line handled those players last year fine and if we need an extra TE to block Fauria can do it. Cooley will block about as much as Gonzalez did last year, just like someone else said before this.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by jamf

.......Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

Football is also a team sport, for Super Bowl winning teams it is not be about individuals, it is about the team.
So why are so worried about Cooley? What about the team as a whole and winning the Super Bowl? If Cooley has to block - so be it.
It is part of the job description for a tight end anyway.

[hooskins]

Our line has def underachieved many times, and playing devils' advocate, Portis did break alot of records, bc he touched the ball ALOT, he had alot of carries. But the line still protected Brunell well, and got us through the season. Are we the best? No but we are one of the better lines in the league. Compare this line to the one we had with Spurrier(his plays took too long as well), our line is much better now. Now that we have more offensive threats, that will also take some pressure off the line, bc they have to cover all our recievers well.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by jamf

It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

Thank you for that. I didnt realize the complexities of the game until you described them to me. I'll defer, but not to you.

And I forgot why we overpayed for a blocking TE this offseason. And all of last season, I didnt see Clinton and Chris both help the tackles out briefly and then release into the flat or right over the middle to pick up first downs. Call me narrow minded again, prick, and we can debate something more important than your analysis of my analysis on something neather of us understands.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Call me narrow minded again, prick, and we can debate something more important than your analysis of my analysis on something neather of us understands.

would question 3 be a good topic?

[jamf]

Ahahaha, well atleast you guys are united!!!

read my original post, I did say that they were talented. Jansen and thomas might be the best RG+LT in the game... I love them especially thomas.
But
I am not fond of Samuels, Dockery and that speed bump of a center. Samuels makes the probowl... Well only because most fans can only name 5 left tackles in the game and 6 go to the probowl.
Dockery has so much potential but as someone said earlier, he is to inconsistent.

If our guys are so good, why were we in MAX protect so often? putting 4 WR's in route helps Moss even if the other guys are scrubs. Most of the year it was Cooley and Moss going out for a pass on third down and thats it!

Also, can anyone honestly say that the redskins oline dominates in the running game? do you trust our guys to create a push on 3rd and short or goal?

Watch a good line Like seattle, On short yardage plays, they get so much push all alexander has to do is fall over.


Ignorant... PFFT!

[724Skinsfan]

I can't tell if you're serious about this. Portis did break the Redskins single season rushing record. That can't be done with a crappy o-line. Someone in the Redskins front office seems to think Samuels is good for him to receive that huge contract ("Redskin for life!").In no way are they one of the best o-lines (Seattle, KC) but they are definitely above average.

[warriorzpath]

That's the key to it: how did kc do it ? And can the skins oline do the same ? I'm hoping and assuming they can.

[MTK]

I think we can assume that Cooley is going to be the primary receiving TE, and Fauria will be the primary blocking TE.

Cooley will likely be in motion alot to present defenses with matchup problems. Saunders knows how to utilize a TE, so my guess is we won't see Cooley tangled up with defensive ends too often.