Eagles trade for Stallworth

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We're worried about a guy who's usually hurt more often than he's healthy and who's season best is 945 yards??

I don't think this move changes much in the division. He's a decent #2/#3 guy, but he's not a playmaker that will keep defensive coordinators up at night.

I'm keying on the bolded part. Can't you make that argument against Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle-El? Neither of them have come close to cracking the 1000 yard mark.

What Stallworth gives the Eagles is a serious deep threat. No he's not a stud. But he will stretch defenses. If you don't have CBs who can run with him and Reggie Brown (and right now I think we only have one, Carlos Rogers) then you'll have to give safety help over the top. That presents a challenge when you have to watch the middle of the field for LJ Smith who has speed, and you have to get on top of speedy Brian Westbrook in a hurry or else he'll bust one on you.

Stallworth's presence opens up the field for the Eagles just as Lloyd and Randle-El do for the 'Skins. It's not like they just signed Jerry Rice at his peak, but it's an improvement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm keying on the bolded part. Can't you make that argument against Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle-El? Neither of them have come close to cracking the 1000 yard mark.

What Stallworth gives the Eagles is a serious deep threat. No he's not a stud. But he will stretch defenses. If you don't have CBs who can run with him and Reggie Brown (and right now I think we only have one, Carlos Rogers) then you'll have to give safety help over the top. That presents a challenge when you have to watch the middle of the field for LJ Smith who has speed, and you have to get on top of speedy Brian Westbrook in a hurry or else he'll bust one on you.

Stallworth's presence opens up the field for the Eagles just as Lloyd and Randle-El do for the 'Skins. It's not like they just signed Jerry Rice at his peak, but it's an improvement.

Difference is we don't need Lloyd or Randle El to come in and light things up. Philly is in a more desperate situation, you don't bring in a guy this late unless it's due to injury or you have serious doubts about the guys you already have.

Stallworth isn't quite the deep threat he was when he came into the league due to his injury problems.

While he could have an impact for them, I'm just not all that concerned.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Difference is we don't need Lloyd or Randle El to come in and light things up. Philly is in a more desperate situation, you don't bring in a guy this late unless it's due to injury or you have serious doubts about the guys you already have.

Stallworth isn't quite the deep threat he was when he came into the league due to his injury problems.

While he could have an impact for them, I'm just not all that concerned.

the eagles have a much better QB.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Difference is we don't need Lloyd or Randle El to come in and light things up. Philly is in a more desperate situation, you don't bring in a guy this late unless it's due to injury or you have serious doubts about the guys you already have.

Stallworth isn't quite the deep threat he was when he came into the league due to his injury problems.

While he could have an impact for them, I'm just not all that concerned.

Well, I'm not really concerned about the Eagles BECAUSE they brought in Donte Stallworth. I'm concerned about the Eagles because I thought they were already the second best team in the NFC East (besides us) BEFORE they brought in Stallworth.

When you add speed on the outside it forces you to respect the deep ball. I don't think the Eagles need Stallworth to light things up either, because Brian Westbrook is going to be the biggest beneficiary of his presence. The field just got more open for Westbrook, who didn't need a whole lot of extra space to begin with.

My main point is I thought the Eagles were strong from the get-go. They're getting overlooked right now, which is exactly what was happening to the 'Skins last year. That puts a chip on your shoulder.

Never count out a team with a QB as good as McNabb, tackles as good as Tra Thomas and John Runyan, and a back as elusive as Westbrook. I know Gibbs and company aren't overlooking these guys, because they are very dangerous now that they're all healthy.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well, I'm not really concerned about the Eagles BECAUSE they brought in Donte Stallworth. I'm concerned about the Eagles because I thought they were already the second best team in the NFC East (besides us) BEFORE they brought in Stallworth.

When you add speed on the outside it forces you to respect the deep ball. I don't think the Eagles need Stallworth to light things up either, because Brian Westbrook is going to be the biggest beneficiary of his presence. The field just got more open for Westbrook, who didn't need a whole lot of extra space to begin with.

I like quoting myself when I'm right. 130 total yards and a TD for Westbrook. And obviously Stallworth got his.

Is Stallworth a pro-bowler? No. Is he a legit deep threat? Yes.

The number one thing you have to defend when you're playing the Eagles is Brian Westbrook on screens out of the backfield. If you don't get on him fast he'll toast you in the open field. To do so, you need CBs who can run with Stallworth so you don't have to dedicate all kinds of safety help to him. The Texans didn't have that CB ability. I think we do have the CB strength, and we can neutralize Westbrook and Stallworth. But it's not easy. The Eagles are real good.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think this move changes much in the division. He's a decent #2/#3 guy, but he's not a playmaker that will keep defensive coordinators up at night.

Sometimes a decent #2 is just the trick for an offense. Not to mention the fact that Stallworth will for the first time in his career have a much more consistent quarterback throwing him the ball.

No, he's not in the mold of a T.O. or Steve Smith, but could he be like a Reggie Wayne?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Sometimes a decent #2 is just the trick for an offense. Not to mention the fact that Stallworth will for the first time in his career have a much more consistent quarterback throwing him the ball.

Sure, but they don't have a decent #1.

Right now they have a bunch of #2 and #3 guys.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sure, but they don't have a decent #1.

Right now they have a bunch of #2 and #3 guys.

Just like what they had when they were the best of the NFC just a few seasons ago.

In '99, the emergence of Albert Connell gave us a powerful #1 and #2 where there wasn't before. My point is you never know what a player will bring in terms of chemistry and providing what could be the last essential piece of an offensive puzzle.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Ugh. Another reason the Eagles go 3-1 or 4-0 during the first four game stretch. They play shitty teams with the exception being the Giants. Then we get to hear the slurping.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Ugh. Another reason the Eagles go 3-1 or 4-0 during the first four game stretch. They play shitty teams with the exception being the Giants. Then we get to hear the slurping.

It won't just be slurping. They are our biggest competition this year.

They'll be leading the division on December 1. Then they have to play AT NYG, AT Dallas, and AT Washington. That's when they'll fall on hard times and we'll need another Gibbsian push in December to overtake them.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Definitely our biggest competition, but when they blow out the likes of the Texans, the media will be all up on their bandwagon.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Definitely our biggest competition, but when they blow out the likes of the Texans, the media will be all up on their bandwagon.

Yeah they should be expected to whip up on the Texans anyway. Hopefully the media doesn't get all wrapped up in that game.

[Schneed10]

Here's the thing, the Eagles went to the NFC Championship game with this coaching staff, this QB, basically this offensive line, this running back, but with Thrash and Pinkston at WR.

This year, they have that same coaching staff, that same QB, basically that same offensive line, that same explosive running back, but with Stallworth and Reggie Brown at WR.

You tell me which is tougher. Nobody should let the Eagles sneak up on them this season.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here's the thing, the Eagles went to the NFC Championship game with this coaching staff, this QB, basically this offensive line, this running back, but with Thrash and Pinkston at WR.

This year, they have that same coaching staff, that same QB, basically that same offensive line, that same explosive running back, but with Stallworth and Reggie Brown at WR.

You tell me which is tougher. Nobody should let the Eagles sneak up on them this season.

I would add to that a dangerous tight end in L.J. Smith, along with a healthy Corell Buckhalter backing up Westbrook.

Now, the defense was really what enabled the Eagles in their NFC Championship years -- I think there's been a steady, moderate decline in the overall capability of their D, but it's still a force to be reckoned with.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I would add to that a dangerous tight end in L.J. Smith, along with a healthy Corell Buckhalter backing up Westbrook.

Now, the defense was really what enabled the Eagles in their NFC Championship years -- I think there's been a steady, moderate decline in the overall capability of their D, but it's still a force to be reckoned with.

Not sure how much of a decline there really is on defense. Darren Howard is there now, so the pass rush will be strong. The LBs have always been weak outside of Trotter. And the secondary is still young and strong. Dawkins is the only one you might say is aging, and he's still good.

They don't have Corey Simon anymore, so where the D may have dropped off is at DT.