Adam Archuleta

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

The reason they're throwing at Rogers is because

1) HE is not a number 1 corner...
2) He's guarding their best receiver.

It makes total sense why they aren't throwing to their lesser receivers, because they can throw to their best one... duh..


Actually I'll follow your advice and argue with the numbers. Those numbers don't mean anything. The league changes every year... teams get better... teams get worse. I'm positive a team has been ranked high, improved, and the following year was ranked lower. The line of reasoning is flawed. Those numbers should be used as a guideline, and not a rule. Especially when your talking about 5 or 6 places.

Duh? Is Marcus Robinson a #1 receiver? Is Travis Taylor? Is Eric Moulds a #1 receiver? Is Terry Glenn? Watch a game or two before you make an idiotic comment to me.

Why don't the numbers mean anything? Back up your point. Teams get better, teams get worse? What the hell does that mean? Why, because you said so? So the fact that they were 3rd in the league with Pierce and Smoot even though that defense had to deal with a horrendous offense means absolutely nothing. Whatever you say...

They are currently ranked 15th and if you think that this year's version is anywhere near 2004's or the defense that played the last 7 games last year then you are blind.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

You would think that opposing teams would go after Wright or Rumph. Instead they victimize our new #1 corner.

They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the number.

My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.

All I need is my eyes. That is how I know that they were a better defense than last year's version or this years. The numbers just back it up.

One player can make that much difference. Look at the loss of Springs. They will be a much better defense when he gets back but until that happens they will look bad. As for Pierce, we aren't talking about a nickel corner. The middle linebacker has a huge role in a defense. Look how crappy the Giants were when they lost him last year.

I love Marshall but he is not as good as Pierce and last year's version and this year's pale in comparison to the '04 unit.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.

I hate it when I overlook simple answers to convoluted arguments.

Look at the points allowed for all 3 (and that includes the td's that Brunell would hand the opposing D on a weekly basis). As Lionel Hutz woud say, "Case closed your honor".

[MTK]

By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?

not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by illdefined

not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?

Champ Bailey is the best cover cornr in football so something close to him is probably in the top 3 or 4. Sorry but a quality corner is the best you can hope for really. He hasn't shown anything to lead us to believe he won't be a #1 at some point. He has struggled somewhat but he hasn't gotten torn apart. A few bad plays really. If he was constantly getting ripped apart I would be nervous. He justs seems inexperienced to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?

Campbell isn't playing because Brunell is the better option right now. With Rogers there isn't a better option. Well, Springs of course but he's hurt.

Regarding AA, still too early to tell. Let's give him the season at least to start judging.

Bailey is a special player. Who knows, maybe Rogers can approach his level of play someday, but Bailey coming out of college was ready for primetime. Rogers is still working on getting there.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?

I firmly believe Rogers will be really good! And I thought he played very well against Dallas

[illdefined]

did Champ need "breaking in" time? didn't he start at no. 1 corner rather quickly? honestly don't remember.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by illdefined

did Champ need "breaking in" time? didn't he start at no. 1 corner rather quickly? honestly don't remember.

No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.

yeah thats what i thought. sucks we couldn't win the corner lottery twice.

still, as good as Champ is, he doesn't dress up like this!
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[724Skinsfan]

The 2004 Washington Redskins were 1-2 at this point, as well. How are they any better than our current team?

[mike340]

Both corners we got when we had #28 here developed very quickly and well (Bailey and Smoot.) I don't think this is a coincidence. We need to get him back as a DB coach. The publicity would also help his charity.

As far as comparing Smoot and Rogers, they are both #2 corners, so that part (at least) is comparable. But you can't compare Rogers covering the #1 receiver vs. Smoot covering the #2.

Most of our weaknesses on defense are on pass coverage. I feel that when Springs comes back it will about as much impact as when Portis came back (if not more) on offense. Rogers will be back to his #2. The other guys won't be shading over to Rogers 'cause they won't be worried about him doing his job. And Arch and co. who aren't good in coverage won't have to do it any more (or much), thus freeing them up to do what they do best. Just about everybody's playing suboptimally, since they're trying to adjust to help each other out. To me, it feels like, with Springs, we'll be able to bring an extra defender at the QB on pass plays. That's huge.

So my verdict on Arch and Carter: they've looked (worse than) useless so far, but I'm reserving judgement until after Springs is back.

I also liked Smoot, and he should regret leaving here. After all, I'm sure "love boats" happen here all the time, so if he'd invited some politician on the boat that the incident would never have reached the papers! ;-)

Sorry about this stream-of-consciousness post.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by mike340

Both corners we got when we had #28 here developed very quickly and well (Bailey and Smoot.) I don't think this is a coincidence. We need to get him back as a DB coach. The publicity would also help his charity.

As far as comparing Smoot and Rogers, they are both #2 corners, so that part (at least) is comparable. But you can't compare Rogers covering the #1 receiver vs. Smoot covering the #2.

Most of our weaknesses on defense are on pass coverage. I feel that when Springs comes back it will about as much impact as when Portis came back (if not more) on offense. Rogers will be back to his #2. The other guys won't be shading over to Rogers 'cause they won't be worried about him doing his job. And Arch and co. who aren't good in coverage won't have to do it any more (or much), thus freeing them up to do what they do best. Just about everybody's playing suboptimally, since they're trying to adjust to help each other out. To me, it feels like, with Springs, we'll be able to bring an extra defender at the QB on pass plays. That's huge.

So my verdict on Arch and Carter: they've looked (worse than) useless so far, but I'm reserving judgement until after Springs is back.

I also liked Smoot, and he should regret leaving here. After all, I'm sure "love boats" happen here all the time, so if he'd invited some politician on the boat that the incident would never have reached the papers! ;-)

Sorry about this stream-of-consciousness post.

I agree. Arch looked good in the pre season blitzing and stuffing the run, but without Springs in the lineup, the Skins haven't been able to use him as much in the same role. We'll see when/if Springs returns.