Jason Campbell..What's his time table?

[hurrykaine]

Campbell's time table - start playing like Brees, or at least like Romo, by middle of next year, or get used to being a career back up like Ramsey.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Campbell's time table - start playing like Brees, or at least like Romo, by middle of next year, or get used to being a career back up like Ramsey.

Uhh, I'd prefer if he didn't play like Romo, thanks. Have you checked the guy's stats lately? I think the bloom is off that rose. This guy has beaten Houston, Arizona, Tampa, Carolina, Indy, and stole one against the Giants in a dreadful performance.

Beaten one team with a winning record, the Colts, and we all know how awesome their defense is.

So, yeah, if we want JC to be more like Romo by the middle of next year, I think we need to have our heads examined.

[MTK]

Brees is off the charts right now, if you really expect JC to be anywhere near that level next year you seriously should have your head checked.

I really liked how JC rebounded in the 2nd half today. He's settling in, just have to stay patient.

[Dogtag]

Just my opinion.

When you are named the starting QB you don't get the luxury of a time table, it is perform now or the team will falter. Your time table was the 18 months of work you did to be named the starting QB.

I hope Jason Campbell becomes the star of the NFL, but right now he reminds me of another QB that was full of promise - Heath Shuler.

[MTK]

'99 is ages ago and pretty irrelevant to today's situation.

I think we do need to bring in a vet for the #2 spot, unless Brunell wants to hang on, but I don't think we would bring in a veteran that would be any sort of strong threat to Campbell.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

'99 is ages ago and pretty irrelevant to today's situation.

It's not irrelevant when the same people are here in the very same capacity. The past is the best indication of future performance.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

It's not irrelevant when the same people are here in the very same capacity. The past is the best indication of future performance.

It's irrelevant based on the fact that Gibbs is now running the show and from all indications Snyder has taken a backseat. I'd even say that Snyder has learned a thing or two from his past mistakes and probably wouldn't have gone about things the same way if he could do it all over again.

[redsk1]

I wouldn't be suprised if we brought in a vet qb in the offseason. I think JC has shown some real good things in his few games in there. Of course he's looked like a rook sometimes too but to be expected.

But i've got to say that our o-line has been pretty impressive lately and (I can't believe i'm going to say it) w/ a vet qb in there we may have been inthe playoff race this year. Don't get me wrong though I'm glad JC is in there learning. I'd rather answer this thread after 3 more games.

[FRPLG]

Irish...what was Gibbs supposed to say about Ramsey?

"Well he's the guy who was here when I got here here but I think he sucks so I brought in a proven winner with diminished skills and I still think he is better than Ramsey. But In all fairness I'll just stick Ramsey in there even though I think he blows."

He said what he needed to to rally his troops and support his QB. He was trying to give PR every chance he could and keep the media off PR's back. Saying "he our guy" and saying "We are going to build around him are way different. Especially when you look at the context of the whole situation. Gibbs moved mountains to draft Ramsey. A better comparison can be made to Brunell who Gibbs also went after and brought in and has given more than enough chances too. No way JC isn't starter day 1 next year unless he is hurt.

[The Zimmermans]

I think Jason had his most promising game this weekend. He made some throws that I wasn't sure he was capable of making. We were 4-8 coming into this game, so a victory would not have helped us in any way at all in the end (although I would have thoroughly enjoyed one). I saw flashes of brilliance outta jason, and that is all that matters to me. To throw two picks and then stage a comeback and put us in a position to win is very impressive. And I loved the JC Randle El connection. We converted many third downs that brunell would not have converted, which kept the eagles O off the field. Good stuff from JC in the second half.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I think Jason had his most promising game this weekend. He made some throws that I wasn't sure he was capable of making. We were 4-8 coming into this game, so a victory would not have helped us in any way at all in the end (although I would have thoroughly enjoyed one). I saw flashes of brilliance outta jason, and that is all that matters to me. To throw two picks and then stage a comeback and put us in a position to win is very impressive. And I loved the JC Randle El connection. We converted many third downs that brunell would not have converted, which kept the eagles O off the field. Good stuff from JC in the second half.

Bingo. We're building something here. Trotting a new mediocre QB in here every two years has proven not to be a very good strategy. Considering our strong RB play and that we have a good corps of WR's and TE's, I think chemistry, reps, and solid line play are all we need to start turning this thing around.

The defense, on the other hand, needs to close out the year strong. I have no idea what's going on there, but we've looked embarrassingly bad this year to the point where even our good players seem to be regressing.

[munny]

Like the goober I am, I spent quite a bit of time reviewing and grading Campbells performance against the Eagles. I wanted to do it to really look at what his issues were, and not get caught up in my own general opinions that can be influenced by the overall success of the team. I graded him based on the quality of his throws, the quality of his decisions, the type of defensive set, the quality of the line protection, and whether or not the reciever helped or hurt his cause.

What I expected to find was that the line was a major source of his problems, but the line protected amazingly well on Sunday, in fact, I only graded them poor on two of the pass plays(plays where a pass was actually thrown). What I ended up learning, and you guys have probably talked about it to death here, was pretty interesting.

#1 He has got to stop taking such big drops.
He has a big problem with this. He takes 5-7 step drops on most every play and it is hurting him. He often finds himself dropping so far back that he backs out of the pocket and then has to scramble. He needs to stop and step up, not keep falling back. This is not be design either. You can see that it breaks up the rhythm of the play and is not a design element. More importantly, it adds distance to every throw and disrupts timing. It reminds me of watching a newbie play Madden. They just keep backing up so it will take longer for the line to get to them and they can read the receivers longer, but it really is hurting them.

#2 He stares down receivers badly.
This is obvious to everyone, but he really does an awful job of this. The second interception Sunday was a good example. He was staring at Cooley from the snap and never looked anywhere else. On top of that, it was a slant and the ball placement was bad(he did not lead him over the middle, but rather put it on his shoulder to close to the break). The combination of too factors like that mean that your recievers have to make great catches just to avoid disasters.

#3 He fails to pull the trigger.
They can say what they want about him shaking off mistakes, but he didn't on Sunday. Those two picks rattled him, and it got worse throughout the game. In the NFL, you have got to deliver the ball before the break. You cannot wait to see the break and see if your receiver is open. If you do that, then the guy will be coming into a new coverage zone by the time you get the ball there. The ball must be delivered on time so that the break creates the separation you need. You have just got to trust your receivers and make an accurate throw. In the second half it got worse. He would wait to see guys open by several steps before making a throw. Now, he was smart enough to often realize that he had waited too long and that it would be unwise to throw it, and so he had to pull it down and run or look for the dump off, but that doesn't cut it. Those recievers weren't blanketed, the plays were there, he just lacked the heart to make the throws.

Conclusions
There were some other small problems too, but these are the major issues. When you put all three of those things together, you aren't going to get very many games where you play four good quarters. The good news is, every one of those mistakes is correctable. The bad news is, they are the kind of mistakes that become habits, and those habits will keep you from becoming the kind of QB you can be. I hope he can correct some of these problems. His ability to move around can be a nice asset if he can get the rest of his game worked out.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by munny

Like the goober I am, I spent quite a bit of time reviewing and grading Campbells performance against the Eagles. I wanted to do it to really look at what his issues were, and not get caught up in my own general opinions that can be influenced by the overall success of the team. I graded him based on the quality of his throws, the quality of his decisions, the type of defensive set, the quality of the line protection, and whether or not the reciever helped or hurt his cause.

What I expected to find was that the line was a major source of his problems, but the line protected amazingly well on Sunday, in fact, I only graded them poor on two of the pass plays(plays where a pass was actually thrown). What I ended up learning, and you guys have probably talked about it to death here, was pretty interesting.

#1 He has got to stop taking such big drops.
He has a big problem with this. He takes 5-7 step drops on most every play and it is hurting him. He often finds himself dropping so far back that he backs out of the pocket and then has to scramble. He needs to stop and step up, not keep falling back. This is not be design either. You can see that it breaks up the rhythm of the play and is not a design element. More importantly, it adds distance to every throw and disrupts timing. It reminds me of watching a newbie play Madden. They just keep backing up so it will take longer for the line to get to them and they can read the receivers longer, but it really is hurting them.

#2 He stares down receivers badly.
This is obvious to everyone, but he really does an awful job of this. The second interception Sunday was a good example. He was staring at Cooley from the snap and never looked anywhere else. On top of that, it was a slant and the ball placement was bad(he did not lead him over the middle, but rather put it on his shoulder to close to the break). The combination of too factors like that mean that your recievers have to make great catches just to avoid disasters.

#3 He fails to pull the trigger.
They can say what they want about him shaking off mistakes, but he didn't on Sunday. Those two picks rattled him, and it got worse throughout the game. In the NFL, you have got to deliver the ball before the break. You cannot wait to see the break and see if your receiver is open. If you do that, then the guy will be coming into a new coverage zone by the time you get the ball there. The ball must be delivered on time so that the break creates the separation you need. You have just got to trust your receivers and make an accurate throw. In the second half it got worse. He would wait to see guys open by several steps before making a throw. Now, he was smart enough to often realize that he had waited too long and that it would be unwise to throw it, and so he had to pull it down and run or look for the dump off, but that doesn't cut it. Those recievers weren't blanketed, the plays were there, he just lacked the heart to make the throws.

Conclusions
There were some other small problems too, but these are the major issues. When you put all three of those things together, you aren't going to get very many games where you play four good quarters. The good news is, every one of those mistakes is correctable. The bad news is, they are the kind of mistakes that become habits, and those habits will keep you from becoming the kind of QB you can be. I hope he can correct some of these problems. His ability to move around can be a nice asset if he can get the rest of his game worked out.

#1) I really find it hard to believe he's going against the play design in his dropbacks. With his level of inexperience I think they are having him drop back further so he has more time to go through his reads. He simply doesn't have the experience level yet in this offense to take a short drop, make a quick read and get the ball out.

#2) Yes he stares down his WRs and so does pretty much any QB with the limited experience level he has.

#3) I don't think he was rattled after the 2 picks at all, in fact he played a great second half going 7 of 12 for 100 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

[munny]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

#1) I really find it hard to believe he's going against the play design in his dropbacks. With his level of inexperience I think they are having him drop back further so he has more time to go through his reads. He simply doesn't have the experience level yet in this offense to take a short drop, make a quick read and get the ball out.

#2) Yes he stares down his WRs and so does pretty much any QB with the limited experience level he has.

#3) I don't think he was rattled after the 2 picks at all, in fact he played a great second half going 7 of 12 for 100 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

#1 - Believe it. A buddy of mine rooms with one of the Redskin scouts. So, we have a few beers last night and I asked him about this stuff. I was thrilled to find out that I hit this one dead on the head. He said they have been working with him every week to break the habit of taking two many steps on the drop. They want him to set up in the pocket, and he works it in practice, but reverts during the games.

#2 - Well, not all of them do it, but I certainly agree that this does not make him unique. But, this was a critique, and you can't leave that out, even if it is a common flaw against young qb's.

#3 - He made some good plays in the second half, but he made even more slow reads. You can't mistake good plays as an excuse for poor ones. My buddy also confirmed this point. The thing you love is that he does have the potential to make some nice plays. He just doesn't have the confidence to deliver the ball on time, every time. That is his toughest challenge I think.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

#1) I really find it hard to believe he's going against the play design in his dropbacks. With his level of inexperience I think they are having him drop back further so he has more time to go through his reads. He simply doesn't have the experience level yet in this offense to take a short drop, make a quick read and get the ball out.

#2) Yes he stares down his WRs and so does pretty much any QB with the limited experience level he has.

#3) I don't think he was rattled after the 2 picks at all, in fact he played a great second half going 7 of 12 for 100 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

Al Saunder's qoute in today's Post...

"You start with his feet and we've said that since training camp, and move up," said Saunders, who oversees the Redskins' offense. "His drops have got to be quicker, his rhythm has got to be quicker, his release has got to be more compact, his decision-making process has got to speed up. He's a victim of his own great physical ability. In high school, he could stand back and wait for a receiver to get open and the velocity of the ball would get there before a little guy who just came from chemistry class could go and break it up. And he played against Vanderbilt [in college], and he's flushed out of the pocket and throws downfield and the ball gets there before the nuclear physicist two years down the road can get there.